Just Sayin'!
Wednesday, March 4, 2009
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Your First Amendment right to free speech is a privilege and comes with a measure of responsibility. You have the right to exercise that responsibility here but we reserve the right to inform you when you've used that right irresponsibly.
We are benevolent dictators in this regard. Enjoy.
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A head-butt, perhaps?
ReplyDeleteOr...THE Head Butt?
Could it be that these pictures were taken last Wednesday? could it be that last Wednesday was Ash Wednesday? Could it be that Biden is Catholic?
ReplyDeleteCould it be that you are a couple of "chuckleheads?"
Jim's right. That's ashes on his head. He is a Catholic.
ReplyDeleteHe's also the dumbest man in politics, but that isn't applicable here.
Ahses? C'mon...he's bashing his head against the wall each night!
ReplyDeleteShouldn't liberals be OUTRAGED that a high-ranking public-official like Joe is wearing his religion on his sleeve...er...I mean...forehead?
ReplyDeleteDuring a GOVERNMENT FUNCTION, no less!
How dare the VP mix religion and politics!
No liberals aren't outraged at Joe Biden's personal religiousity. If he was pressing for laws saying everyone had to be married in the catholic faith that would be a different story.
ReplyDeleteLiberals are fine with people expressing their faith, just not promoting it. Whereas conservative tend toward promoting faiths and less expressing.
Okay, BenT, what do you call the battering of the populace about the faith of Man-made global warmi...er...that is...the War on Weather? Or...how 'bout that religion of evolution?
ReplyDeleteLiberals don't promote. /sarc They force it down your throat whether you want it or not! No promoting to it at all!
Take the "fags don't choose to be fags" faith...you mean you REALLY don't think that you leftists promote your beliefs?
Your religion is profanity and your message is deceit.What a fraud.
Ben, there's no reasoning with a zealot. An ill-informed and deliberately ignorant one, especially.
ReplyDeleteYou'd think that some folk here would respect the private practice of others' religious faith, but it's more fun to some to make it a joke.
Got any good crucifixion jokes for the coming days, D?
Ash Wednesday, dude.
ReplyDeleteNothing wrong with being a zealot, Dan. It's the object of one's zealous devotion that can be worrisome. Like Obama's zealous desire to destroy America, and remake it in HIS ideological image.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the invite, Dan. Here's one:
ReplyDeleteJesus is on the cross, and says, "Hey Peter! I can see your house from up here!"
"Ben, there's no reasoning with a zealot."
ReplyDeleteWe know, Danny-boy. You're the perfect example.
I still think he's covering up bruising from taking out his frustrations upon himself.
Since he wears his war-paint to work in his government employee capacity, why can't kids who wish to read their Bibles in public-schools do so?
ReplyDeleteThe hypocrisy of the left is truly astounding.
ummm, I hate to bother with reality, but no one is stopping children from reading Bibles in school in their free time.
ReplyDeleteIt's a free country, after all.
But don't let reality interrupt a perfectly good rant...
Ummmm Dan, I hate to bother you with reality, but kids are prohibited all the time from expressing themselves religiously. Most out of a lack of understanding on the part of the school as to what is permissable and what isn't, but the whole problem began with the removal of school prayer over the mythical separation of church and state.
ReplyDeleteYet, there are those that would take every opportunity to bash the beliefs of a religious student and that happens all too often as well.
Frankly, I have no doubt that Al-O knew quite well what the deal was with Joey Plugs' forehead.
ReplyDeleteBut here's the deal for me, and perhaps it's where Al-O was going:
How is Biden's ashen forehead any less a governmental support for a particular religion than a manger scene at Christmas, or the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? He's a governmental official, laughably so, but one nonetheless. It's inconsistent for the separationists to pretend there's no problem here. Of course there's none for me, unless he supports abortion and homosexual marriage. Then, he's making a mockery of this Catholicism. But just expressing his faith, such as it might be, is no problem, anymore than Christmas hymns piped througout the White House.
1. Children are allowed to read their Bible (or Koran, or Mad Magazine) at school during their free time.
ReplyDelete2. No one is (or can) stop students in public school from praying.
3. No one is interfering with children's ability to be a Christian (Muslim, Jew, druid), not generally in the real world.
4. To be sure, there are some examples of schools/teachers who are not clear on what is and isn't okay and sometimes (again, it's the rare exception) people in public schools DO make mistakes and do try to wrongfully limit someone's religion.
5. Those are exceptions that prove the rule. When those exceptions happen, thankfully, there are groups like the ACLU who will step up and defend folks from religious discrimination.
6. What IS prohibited - righteously - at schools are schools endorsing and/or promoting one religion over another. I don't want some snake handler Christian kid to practice his/her religion around my kids at school. Fortunately, our schools have rules on what students can and can't do.
7. Which returns us to the original point: Kids CAN read the Bible in school. They CAN pray.
But again, don't let reality interrupt a mindless rant. If you're just wanting to complain (despite reality), by all means, complain.
The reality is that it is far more prevalent than fantasyland people like yourself would choose to believe. And the ACLU is not likely to be the first on the case if a kid was prohibited from reading his Bible, giving thanks to Christ in a valedictory address, choosing a religious hymn or personage to write about, or a host of other innocent, student chosen activities.
ReplyDeleteaclufightsforchristians.com tells us...
ReplyDeleteThe American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts today asked a federal district court in Springfield to protect the First Amendment rights of high school students who were disciplined by school officials for distributing candy canes with religious messages just before Christmas.
"Students have a right to communicate ideas, religious or otherwise, to other students during their free time, before or after class, in the cafeteria, or elsewhere," said ACLU cooperating attorney Jeffrey Pyle, the main author of a friend-of-the-court brief submitted in the case.
For instance. Or...
DES MOINES--The Iowa Civil Liberties Union today announced that it is publicly supporting the Christian students who recently filed a lawsuit against the Davenport Schools asserting the right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.
""The school's policy against the distribution of religious literature outside of class is clearly wrong,"" said Ben Stone, Executive Director of the ICLU. ""Not only does the policy violate the students' right to freely exercise their religious beliefs, but it also infringes on their free speech rights," he said.
for instance.
But again, if we're not concerned about reality, complain all you want. I know it's more fun to pretend the ACLU is a satanic bogeyman group trying to crucify Jesus than it is to accept the nuanced notion that sometimes they might appear to oppose some Christians and yet sometimes they defend Christians.
I'm just offering these tidbits for anyone in the audience who IS reality-based in their reasoning.
Leave it Dan to find the 1% of cases where the ACLU came down on the right side for a change, rather than the 99% of cases where they come down on the wrong side of the issue.
ReplyDeleteThere are exceptions to every rule.
Really Mark. The ACLU is always right there on the side of Christians when they're stifled. Like hell they are.
ReplyDeleteRight. Why believe actual evidence when it's easier to believe crap you've just made up?
ReplyDeleteSo Dan says, "no one is stopping children from reading Bibles in school in their free time."
ReplyDeleteHe's right. They can't. They can intimidate. They can bully. They can even go to court and try to stifle their right to practice the free exercise of their religion, and they do. Often. But they can't stop them.
Today, I read an article in the Washington Compost (I tried to link it, but for some reason it wouldn't work)about school children in Tennessee (Lakeview elementary)who put up posters advertising a "See you at the pole event in their school, and the officials at the school made them cover up certain key words on the posters, such as "God Bless America", and "In God we trust", with photographs and everything.
Here's an excerpt from the story:
"[A] federal judge ruled that Lakeview Elementary School in suburban Nashville was illegally promoting religion by failing to properly monitor a group of "Praying Parents." "The effect of this inaction by school authorities was to project the image that Lakeview endorsed or promoted Christianity through its entanglement with the Praying Parents," U.S. Dist. Judge Robert L. Echols ruled.
Last week, some of those same parents filed a lawsuit against the school for illegally restricting religion by censoring references to God on student-drawn posters. "The hostility toward religion and religious ideas could not be more blatant. Any reasonable observer would have to conclude that Lakeview disapproves of religious viewpoints and does not want these viewpoints expressed at Lakeview," the lawsuit claims."
But Dan's right. No one is stopping children from praying in school.
Of course, it's not because they haven't tried. But I guess until they succeed in totally removing any mention of God from our schools, Dan won't be happy.