STASI Americana

>> Tuesday, November 11, 2008

The President-Elect:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

38 comments:

Dan Trabue November 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM  

If you'd trouble yourself to see what Obama has planned by actually reading his plans, you'll see that he has referenced a Civilian Assistance Corps to help keep the US safe - NOT by bombs and weapons, we can't bomb our way to safety - by having assistance that deals with the root causes of terrorism. From Obama's website:

Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC): An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad.

Nothing nazi-like in that. I really hate to disappoint you fellas, but Obama is not the devil, nor is he Hitler, nor is he Osama or Saddam (both men who were supported by Republicans, not Dems). He is merely another Christian American trying to do the right things - those things that the US has elected him to do.

Al-Ozarka November 11, 2008 at 11:01 AM  

"Nothing nazi-like in that."

Dude, can't you read?

It says "STASI", not Nazi.

He ain't no Hitler...more like Stalin if you ask me.

Just ask Joe the Plumber.

"doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc"

Forgot to add : domestic spies

Al-Ozarka November 11, 2008 at 11:02 AM  

Oh yeah, Dan...I forgot.

Bush = Hitler, right?

Al-Ozarka November 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM  

Speaking of Bush...might want to check my update on Obama = Bush Lite

Mark November 11, 2008 at 1:58 PM  

I can see it now. Danny and Jeffy standing in line to sign up so they can tell on Daddio, Eric, Marshall, and Mark!

Al-Ozarka November 11, 2008 at 2:21 PM  

Why else do they continue to hang around, Mark?

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 11, 2008 at 5:51 PM  

Tell on you? Uh, you are pretty public with this blog and all, so I don't think any of us future domestic spies need to do much work in that department.

If you will recall, back right after 9/11, then AG John Ashcroft proposed TIA, Total Information Awareness, including setting up a network of the very kinds of domestic spying you all believe Obama is proposing. It was ridiculed and shouted down by liberals and Democrats precisely because it rang so close to Stalinist practices.

Try again.

Father Gregori November 11, 2008 at 6:16 PM  

"We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.". . . . And the children shall report their parents and each of us MUST report our neighbors, friends and co-workers. That is only way we can remain safe.

Hiel Obama!

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 11, 2008 at 8:27 PM  

Father gregori, that would be "Heil, Obama." The other word would be pronounced "heel".

Al-Ozarka November 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM  

Jeff said:

"It was ridiculed and shouted down by liberals and Democrats precisely because it rang so close to Stalinist practices."

I'm gonna have to be restrained if this keeps up. I'll bust a gut!

Murder the innocent...protect the criminals.

You liberals are a real noble breed.

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 12, 2008 at 2:53 PM  

Murder the innocent? Oh, yeah, all those fetuses (feti?) whose abortions we applaud on a daily basis, and whose remains we grind up to make our bread as we hold our Satanic rituals.

al Ozarka, could I just make sure I have all your info so I can make sure to pray to Lucifer tonight that you get an extra special "Ooga-Booga" from some demon?

You folks are too much.

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 12, 2008 at 5:12 PM  

By the way, you people keep spelling my name wrong. If this keeps up, I might just have to retaliate. You know, tugboatcapn might just become tugmycapn. Mark might just become Snark. Al Ozarka, I'm still working on you, but give me time. If I can come up with even better ones, especially ones that have all sorts of double connotations, why all the better.

Al-Ozarka November 13, 2008 at 6:45 AM  

Jeff said:

"Murder the innocent? Oh, yeah, all those fetuses (feti?) whose abortions we applaud on a daily basis, and whose remains we grind up to make our bread as we hold our Satanic rituals."

I'm glad you are so honest, Jeff!

Mark November 13, 2008 at 7:55 AM  

Geoffrey says, "Tell on you? Uh, you are pretty public with this blog and all, so I don't think any of us future domestic spies need to do much work in that department.

Yes. It would have to be pretty easy for you morons to comprehend the task.

Feodor November 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM  

What about the Constitutional role of the Federal government to "insure Domestic Tranquility?"

Might not Obama's midsummer thoughts be Constitutionally allowable ideas -- even if most of us don't think a national security force?

Given what happened with Katrina, where a whole state was so overwhelmed that the state commanded national guard (a misnomer by the way) did not serve.

And what happens in the face of a dirty nuclear device set off in Nashville? Tennessee, or any state government, is hardly prepared for to respond.

This is what lies in Obama's midsummer thoughts. Strength in response. I would think this would appeal to you guys.

Al-Ozarka November 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM  

Feodora said:

"This is what lies in Obama's midsummer thoughts. "

LOL!

They'll be changing the slogan on U.S. currency to "In the One We Trust" in the first 100 days.

You guys are really pathetic.

You're gonna have to move your prayer blanket to face towards DC instead of The Windy City in a couple of months, Feodora!

Any reasonable person knows what Obama's purpose in a "civilain force that is as mighty as our military" means.

Do you have a pointed nose, Feodora? Your hanging around here is reminiscent of a bothersome mosquito, pal. I just wondered if the resemblance went any further.

Al-Ozarka November 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM  

Feodora said:

"What about the Constitutional role of the Federal government to "insure Domestic Tranquility?"

The government would have to hang you, Feodora!

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 13, 2008 at 7:19 PM  

Hey, Ozzie, dude, you are either humorless, clueless, or your humor and intellect far beyond mine, but you know what? When I said what I did about the whole fetuses thing for Satanic rituals?

I was making a joke, you moron.

That you honestly believe that anyone posting here celebrates when an abortion occurs proves how ridiculously clueless you are. Should you continue to believe that, well that is certainly your prerogative. It is my prerogative to think that just proves how clueless you truly are.

Dan Trabue November 14, 2008 at 8:39 AM  

Let's see, diminutive name-calling, baseless accusations, comparisons to Nazis and Soviet-style oppression, "morons," "real enemies," "smug condescension," "abject stupidity," "enemy of America," "enemy of God," "satanic," "evil conspiracy..." I could go on.

Is this really the level of discourse that you endeavor to engage in here at this American Descent? Petty name-calling? Baseless accusations?

That's it? Come, brothers, let's be reasonable. State your opposition to policies, support your statements, chronicle the fall of liberty, if you wish. But such childish behavior is beneath you. I'd hope for better.

Feodor November 14, 2008 at 10:00 AM  

The new "American" dissent will be just as anti-intellectual as the previous "American" ass...ent.

Izard County is us.

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM  

With all due respect, Dan - you chronicle what they do and ask them to change. Yet, they cannot because that is all they have ever had. They have no facts; they have no reason; they have no understanding. They have fear and hatred and rage - that is all they have ever had. Far better to observe, make a note on occasion, and refuse to attempt any engagement.

I've been down that road and realized that once you attempt to deal with this kind of thing, you get sucked in to the vortex; far better not to play a game that is rigged from the get-go. Consider the way Marshall Art constantly moves the bar in discussion we have - he wants evidence, we provide it, he says it's biased, we say in what way are facts biased, he refuses to acknowledge the facts as facts because the source is biased. That's a circle one could run over and over until one is hip-deep in it.

Dan Trabue November 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM  

I understand, Geoffrey. Still, they are homo sapiens - "wise humans" - they have it in them for abstract thought and reasoning. Somewhere it exists within them, I know this to be true, at least on an intellectual basis - evidence to the contrary be damned.

If Martians landed and kept insisting on probing and lasering us - and yet you were sure they, too, were sentient beings capable of reason - wouldn't you keep trying to establish communication?

Mark November 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM  

"you chronicle what they do and ask them to change. Yet, they cannot because that is all they have ever had. They have no facts; they have no reason; they have no understanding. They have fear and hatred and rage - that is all they have ever had. Far better to observe, make a note on occasion, and refuse to attempt any engagement."

Geoffrey continues to amaze us with his multi-faceted personality. The latest found in the above quotation:

Self deprecating humor!

Uh, he was talking about himself and Dan, wasn't he?

Al-Ozarka November 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM  

J-Off still hasn't quite figure out my slight included in my last comment.

Amazing how these elitist a-holes cannot see themselves in a mirror.

Al-Ozarka November 14, 2008 at 2:56 PM  

Danielsan,

Since you're all about giving examples and citiations and all that, why don't you give us ONE example of where you have lectured a fellow liberal for making "baseless accusations".

And...quit calling me brother if you're really serious about the name-calling thingy. I'm not your brother in any way, shape, or form.

You use the word "brother" the same way you use the name "God".

In vain.

Dan Trabue November 14, 2008 at 3:42 PM  

Daddio said:

why don't you give us ONE example of where you have lectured a fellow liberal for making "baseless accusations"

Easy enough. Way back in September:

Geoffrey said:
That is how Republicans behave. They lie, they slander, they insist on guilt by association and innuendo

Dan replied (back in Sept):
Absolutely not true, Geoffrey. SOME Republicans behave as you describe - mainly those most closely tied to a particular mindset and with the least open minds. Just as some Democrats behave as such.

I know too many good Republican folk - folk who would not dream of behaving as you described - to think that it is endemic to one party.

Dan Trabue November 14, 2008 at 3:46 PM  

I probably don't have that many examples of doing so, though, Brother Al, because I am not around the type of Liberals who would do such a thing as state any baseless accusations.

As to the brother thing, I'm sorry, but you ARE my brother. You are a fellow citizen, a brother in Christ and a co-resident of this here planet. I suppose I could quit calling you such a horrible thing (!), but it wouldn't make it true. If I quit calling my biological brother, Dave, "Brother Dave," it wouldn't make him NOT my brother. He is what he is. You are what you are, my brother.

I find it interesting, though, that you - who so often call folk all manner of names - would have the audacity to ask someone to not call you, "brother." Do you fail to recognize the irony?

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford November 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM  

Oh, Mark, Mark, Mark. Since I have counseled against fear, do not now nor have ever hated anyone, and what rage I have is personal and wholly unrelated to anything I deal with publicly, I fail to see in any of the thousands of words I have published on my blog or in comments on others where anyone other than an idiot could even pretend to see those things in me.

Ozzie, I was trying to ignore your oh-so-subtle 8th grade attempt at humor. I have to applaud Dan, because he is an example of someone attempting the impossible - engaging you folks on some level. While I knew what the results would be, I still think it admirable.

I will go further than I have before and say not only are you clueless in terms of any attempt at dealing with public issues, you are horrible at dealing with dialogue, argument, disagreement, or difference. While I have no doubt you are all congenial hosts at parties, pet your cats, kiss your kids goodnight, and eat your hamburgers with ketchup rather than mustard, I see no connection between us on any level whatsoever. There is not even the facade of congeniality and fellow-feeling that is necessary to going-forward.

I am heartened by one thing. I know - I am am quite convinced - that this blog is destined to peter out, further showcasing the utter irrelevance of the fringe right.

If any of you think I care in any manner, fashion, or form, that you believe you have managed to hurt my feelings, please disabuse yourselves of that immediately. That would presuppose that I considered you worthy of any consideration whatsoever. As a Christian, I am certainly willing to honor the call of Jesus and love you; I am under no order to like you, however.

Ozzie, your horrid response to Dan just nails it. You are, to a person, beneath contempt. Like your failed President and withering ideology, you really bear little more than the passing thought that at least we do not have to deal with the likes of you anymore.

Al-Ozarka November 14, 2008 at 5:03 PM  

Dan brazenly said:

"I probably don't have that many examples of doing so, though, Brother Al, because I am not around the type of Liberals who would do such a thing as state any baseless accusations."

Yet your church hosts events for Moveon.org

Gawd!

Al-Ozarka November 14, 2008 at 5:08 PM  

J-Off said:

"Like your failed President and withering ideology, you really bear little more than the passing thought that at least we do not have to deal with the likes of you anymore.

Dream on, Mate.

Your continued presence at this blog hints that you don't even believe what you wrote above.

Al-Ozarka November 14, 2008 at 5:13 PM  

Unless, of course, you really agree with the implications of the subject of this post.

Feodor November 15, 2008 at 12:54 PM  

Those opposed to a civilian national security force before having a discussion of it are soft on terrorism.

Our ports are still grossly unprotected. Major city police forces are unprepared and under-equipped for dirty bomb attacks. States experiencing disaster are overwhelmed and it takes for too long to redirect national military.

The idea is worth kicking around for those of us interested in real ideas for national security outside of torture and government-sponsored kidnapping.

Lone Ranger November 15, 2008 at 8:17 PM  

http://1984usa.com/higherlearning/?p=469

Dan Trabue November 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM  

Nazis! Brownshirts! Boogeymen! Oh, my!

My guess is that those folk who are living in fear are mostly hidden underground already, "Lone Ranger," (odd that a fear-monger would choose the name of a fictional character noted for his bravery) but you might be able to scare up a [very] little support at this place.

Perhaps you could add three or four tremblers to your rank.

Most of us, though, have moved on to work on fixing the devastation left in the wake of Hurricane George. Good luck with your little fear party, though. Turn off the lights when you're done.

Al-Ozarka November 17, 2008 at 10:33 AM  

Dan,

It's hilarious to see you write something accusatory about fear-mogering on the right.

You are afraid of cars. Your fearmongering about personal transportation is legendary.

And what about your war on weather?

Freaking hypocrite!

Al-Ozarka November 17, 2008 at 10:36 AM  

You know, a boogeyman is something made-up...you know...not real...only imagined.

The War on Islamic Terrorism is justified. The enemy is real...verified.

Your war on weather is certainly the 800 lb boogeyman in the room.

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