When a "No-Fly Zone" is not a NO-FLY Zone...

>> Wednesday, March 23, 2011

...and is instead a "war."

Obama's so-called no-fly zone has never, at any time since its beginning, been a mission to keep Qadaffi's air-strikes against civilian targets in check. Instead we are bombing airfields, communications complexes, ground-based armor.... America does not need another war.

Obama fails on this one. We're not patrolling the skies; keeping the Libyan air-force from decimating civilians. What we're doing is actively attacking ground targets in similar fashion to the build up to the invasion of Iraq.

9 comments:

Mark March 23, 2011 at 3:10 PM  

Obama is using this situation to ingratiate himself to the Conservatives and independents in hopes he can fool us all into thinking he really isn't as incompetent as we know him to be. He needs the Conservative vote in the next presidential election. He knows many left leaning anti-war moderates have already tired of him and will not vote for him regardless, and independents who were in support of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will not vote for him unless he shows he will go to war if necessary.

The problem with his thinking is that most Conservatives already know how he thinks, the left leaning moderates understand there must be a justifiable reason to go to war(and this isn't justified), and the anti-war leftist will abandon him over this action. The only ones who will vote for him now are those who support him regardless of what he does, because they, too are dyed in the wool Socialists, and black voters who only voted for him because he is black in the first place.

My Liberal Doctor nephew is wondering on Facebook if Obama conned him into voting for him. I guarantee you he is not the only one.

Jim March 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM  

You obviously have no concept of what it takes to make an effective no-fly zone while protecting your own aircraft from interceptor aircraft from airfields, communications complexes which guide those aircraft, and ground-based armor which might include anti-aircraft weapons.

"The only ones who will vote for him now" are those who consider the competition.

BenT - the unbeliever,  March 24, 2011 at 2:12 AM  

Whether it's a no-fly zone or a full scale war conservatives made it pretty clear during the last administration that the President has very broad powers in directing America's military forces. To say it's not a no-fly zone is quibbling over semantics and definitions that aren't really relevant.

To Mark:
There is probably a large contingent of liberals that regret nominating Obama over H. Clinton. But there are NO liberals that regret voting for Obama over McCain/Palin. And since Hillary has stated categorically that she will not be running in 2012 or presumably in 2016 I just don't see how anyone but Obama gets 100% of the liberal vote in 2012.

Secondarily I would say it's pretty myopic to view everything through the lens of American politics. This military action may not have full support at home, but by working with the other coalition nations we gain foreign policy influence over many european and middle-eastern nations. Which is not something to be sneezed at.

ELAshley March 24, 2011 at 8:35 AM  

And your concept, Jim, carries every ounce of relevant water? When Ben used the word 'myopic' he described every bone-headed response you've made here this last year or so. By all appearances you would defend Hitler himself if a conservative showed support for him. Fortunately, I can't say the same for Ben and, thankfully, no such 'Hitler' is on the public stage. It doesn't change the fact, however, that you care more about your brand of politics than truth. And that, I believe, is the saddest commentary about the Left... Obama supporters specifically.

Jim March 25, 2011 at 10:32 PM  

EL, if you think the Iraq invasion is in any way comparable to the imposition of a no-fly zone in Libya, you are truly an Obama-hater (but we knew that already. By the way, I believe that the US also was part of a coalition that was carrying out a very effective no-fly zone over Iraq prior to the invasion, and I don't recall anyone having a problem with that.

Marshall Art March 26, 2011 at 2:40 AM  

"By the way, I believe that the US also was part of a coalition that was carrying out a very effective no-fly zone over Iraq prior to the invasion..."

"Very effective" to me means that Hussein was not shooting at the planes patrolling the no-fly zone. But as I recall, the fact that he was indeed shooting at said patrolling planes was amongst the many reasons for the invasion.

But of course, Eric is correct. Military action, especially those close to that action, is war. At the least, it is war-like engagement. Gov't people, and even people like Gates, go out of their way to call it something less "war-like".

As for me, I'm not totally against the concept of bombing the crap out of despots who won't repent of their despotism. Covert activity that takes out the despot wouldn't be bad, either. I will qualify that position by saying that much depends on the people of the country under said despot, but as a general rule, scumbags get no quarter.

But that's just me.

ELAshley March 26, 2011 at 1:57 PM  

What burns my toast, if you must know, sonny Jim, is the bold-faced hypocrisy emanating from you and the much of the Left. All you scumbags trashed Bush, unjustly, for doing the same as Obama has done, but for one little thing... he went to Congress and got congressional approval. Obama? Mister 'I'm a Nobel Peace Prize winner' hasn't even bothered to consult congress. The man who chided Bush during the campaign over his war policy, is now guilty of the very things for which he castigated Bush!

You and Obama are first-class hypocrites.

You scoffed at every instance I offered of Obama's lawlessness; his refusal to consider constitutionality in moving America toward some nebulous personal vision of the future. Now you're a fool, a hypocrite, and an ignorant rube. If you're not going to apply the same standard you leveled upon Bush to your buddy Obama, then I'm vindicated in labeling YOU a hypocrite.

You're worshiping the weakest president this nation has seen since decades BEFORE Jimmy Carter! Either apply your standards fairly or shut the hell up.

I don't fucking hate president Barack Obama. What I DO hate is having to argue with a bunch of namby-pamby presidential butt-kissing tools like you.

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