The Big Lie

>> Wednesday, June 17, 2009

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~ Joseph Goebbels

There is a point buried deep within all this debate about America's health care system, and whether it is adequate, horrible, or the best in the world:

There is no health care system in America.

There is, however, a free enterprise system, and that has worked very well since this country's inception.

In this free enterprise system, ideally, people in America are free to avail themselves to any kind of health care they think is best for them. Medical personnel, including not just doctors and nurses, but pharmaceutical companies and all health related occupations, can charge patients with what the market will bear for their services.

Somewhere along the way, a few enterprising men (and, presumably, women) saw a need for a business opportunity that would not only provide them with a living, but help Americans afford the rising costs of health care. It's called insurance.

Now, most Americans recognize the need for some kind of health insurance.

We also recognize that all of us have a right to either purchase health insurance or not. Some people buy insurance policies, and, for one reason or another, some don't.

Contrary to Liberal belief, Americans do not have a right to health care. We have the specific rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Health care is not listed among them.

But, unfortunately, most Americans need health insurance in the event of health problems. Also unfortunately, the cost of health insurance rises along with the costs of health care, and it's for that reason I personally have issues with them.

But, as much as I dislike insurance companies, I still recognize, in this country, they have the inherent right to exist. The United States of America was founded on principles of freedom and liberty.

The Government has no right--repeat---no right, to take over any private business. No way, no how. Not AIG. Not any banks. Not GM. Not Chrysler. These companies have been openly taken over by Obama and his Marxists cohorts.

And hardly a whimper has been heard from the people.

Now comes proof positive that Barack Hussein Obama and his Marxist allies are conspiring, surreptitiously, to put private insurance companies out of business.

This isn't only an unconstitutional takeover of private business. This is a purge, in the grand tradition of Josef Stalin.

In their own words, Obama and his co-conspirators have revealed their true intentions. Obama tells his sheeple he wants to give us a free choice between private medical insurance and Nationalized Health Care, but the following video reveals he is lying. Watch this:

The destruction of America as we know it is well underway. They already have many private companies. Now he is going after private insurance companies. I think we all know where this is going.

What we don't know for sure, is, who's next?


Lindsay June 17, 2009 at 8:59 AM  

My guess is private pensions & retirement funds. See the market was evil and caused so much loss last year, and so we want to shelter them and make sure these evil companies don't take your money (which is not what happened, but what most people believe). Argentina did it, where not THAT far away.

BenT - the unbeliever,  June 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM  

Uninsured people increase healthcare costs for everyone else. They don't do preventative healthcare. They don't seek treatment when problems are small. They go to emergency rooms, and incur the most expensive care, and expertise. This causes hospitals and doctors to raise costs on the rest of their patients. This is reality. There are two possible solutions to this problem.

1. Stop caring for uninsured patients who are unable to pay for service.

2. Mandate that everyone purchase health insurance, and create some sort of low-cost basic service public option.

Solution one is barbaric. It's just that simple. It's equivalent to placing people on ice floes.

Solution two is what Pres. Obama and democrats are trying to enact. In none of the proposed bills is there anything about disbanding private insurance, or forcing people to sign up for the public option. The only way private insurers will be hurt is if the public option is so obviously superior that everyone FREELY of their own volition signs up for it.

Think! Don't be a sheep!

Edwin Drood June 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM  
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Edwin Drood June 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM  

Bent, take your own advice. Think about it. People who have insurance will be forced to still pay into the public system. Then they are essentially paying into two system and using only one. Many will not be able to afford this so they and their companies will switch over to the government plan. this is how Obama will disband private insurance

Do you honestly think that private insurance will be able to compete with a plan that everyone is forced to pay into?

ObamaCare will be funded by tax payers. Do you honestly think that we will have the choice to pay for our private insurance or pay our new taxes?

Maybe the Dems should tell their followers that in our country right now anyone can get a job that offers heath benefits. What they can't do is get a low paying job with benefits and still buy crap like new cars, TVs and awesome cell phones.

Demtards will tell you they only want welfare-healthcare. But what they really want is the ability to spend all their money on cool stuff and still go to the doctor. It will be a surprise to the lower 50% of income earners (aka democrats) when they have to start paying taxes for real. Enjoy your doctor visit because the IRS is coming to visit you next. This whole thing could have been avoided if people would just budget their money and priorities.

EL June 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM  

Not only would taxpayers end up paying into TWO systems (those who have bought into private insurance through their work), but Obama also wants to force these folk to pay taxes on the cost of their private health care....

So... taxed to provide health care for the indigent (in theory - many will jump out of private to save money), then taxed on what we pay to provide for ourselves. On top of this, how many people currently enrolled in private insurance will drop work-provided insurance to jump on the government dole? Too many.

The cost of this, in the long run, is too exorbitant. The government can't even guarantee that Social Security will be solvent ten-fifteen years from now. And now they want to promise every American guaranteed healthcare? The government doesn't even pay doctors who accept medicare/medicaid the full amount of the services they provide (which is why many doctors have opted out of medicare/medicaid), so how many doctors will choose to get out of the profession altogether when what the government is willing to pay them isn't enough to make the sure-to-come aggravation worth while, or dissuade wannabe medical students from getting into the medical field, considering the amount of student loads they'd have to pay off while on the government dole? Consider also the lack of doctors going into specialized medicine for the same reasons... low pay, huge student loans.

This whole debate promulgated by Obama on the state of the American health care system (a system that is in trouble because of government meddling) is predicated on outright lies and distortion. He's not telling America the whole truth, because the whole truth would kill his plans for socialized medicine in America.

BenT - the unbeliever,  June 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM  

What a novel idea that people shouldn't pay taxes for services they don't need. NOT! We already pay taxes for things we don't use. If you're an urbanite, you still subsidize rural transportation projects. People without computers will one day help pay for public internet access. If you don't own stocks you still pay taxes to fund the SEC.

Last year our new city mayor proposed a new 0.01 tax to pay for city improvements. EL was in a snit for months about it. But you know what? He still shops in town, fills up his gas tank in town and amazingly is still living at the same standard of living.

If conservatives are serious about the cost of a public option then they can work on health care reform and push for cost containment measures. Democrats are willing to make lots of compromises to expand coverage.

Yesterday the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations decided to investigate the practice of recission. This is when you pay your premiums for years to a healthcare insurer, then get sick, and then have your insurance cancelled.

A Texas nurse said she lost her coverage, after she was diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer, for failing to disclose a visit to a dermatologist for acne.

The sister of an Illinois man who died of lymphoma said his policy was rescinded for the failure to report a possible aneurysm and gallstones that his physician noted in his chart but did not discuss with him.

....Late in the hearing, [Bart] Stupak, the committee chairman, put the executives on the spot. Stupak asked each of them whether he would at least commit his company to immediately stop rescissions except where they could show "intentional fraud."

The answer from all three executives: "No."

Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) said that a public insurance plan should be a part of any overhaul because it would force private companies to treat consumers fairly or risk losing them. "This is precisely why we need a public option," Dingell said.

So far congress has only taken the first steps to healthcare reforms. All these scare campaigns of they're gonna tax you private coverage, are just rumors. The idea of partially paying for the new program with taxes on private insurance premiums was opposed by unions and has now been taken off the table. Did talk radio mention that EL?

Taking EL's other point I want to say that nowhere in the Constitution does it guarantee that becoming a doctor will make you independently wealthy. It's a professional career, but we have lots of those where the monetary rewards are flat at best. Nurses, Teachers, Police Officers, Mechanics, Electricians. Even lawyers aren't guaranteed financial freedom in their chosen careers. If we lose all the doctors who only pursue the profession because of greed, then perhaps we will be better off as a nation.

Americans spend 7% of our GNP on health care. That is far and away more than any other developed nation. Our satisfaction with health care is less than other developed nations. Something must be done.

Socialized medicine is where the government owns all the hospitals and all the doctors work for the government. Army health care is socialized health care. Veterans have the highest satisfaction with their health care of any group of Americans. Higher even than Medicare patients. The VA also has some of the lowest costs per patient because they focus on preventative care, with digital records and track cost/patient effectiveness for procedures. But hey believe the emotional, scare tactics of pundits who care more about opposing and defeating democrats, than they do about the welfare of ALL the people of the United States. Rich, poor, black, white, smart, dumb - no one should be forced between putting gas in the tank or having a chest pain examined.

Mark June 17, 2009 at 1:15 PM  

Bent, watch the video. Obama and friends admit, in their own words, that their goal is to eliminate insurance companies.

Then, you insist that the people must be forced to accept Nationalized health care regardless of whether they want it or not.

That is Socialism, and unconstitutional.

Al-Ozarka June 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM  

Union-members won't have to pay taxes on their premiums, you know!

We who are not members of the Big-Brother society will have to pay, pay, pay!

BenT and all you other liberals turning yourselves inside out to justify your Messiah, you should take a breather and reflect on the totalitarian system your dear leader is trying to force upon this nation which was built upon the ideals of liberty!

BenT - the unbeliever,  June 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM  

What a deceptive little video.

1. Jospeh Hacker, isn't a congressman, and whatever HIS plan, that doesn't mean that Democrats in congress are trying to actualize it. I imagine his plan has never had to take into account the sausage factory that is the United States congress, with all it's competing interests.

2. The quote of Obama speaking at the end about transitioning, notice he never talks about the public plan.

That's because the entire quote he was speaking to a small business owner who was questioning health care costs. CANDIDATE Obama was saying he sees where down the road, employers will not be the major providers of America's healthcare insurance. People will find their own personal solution, either the public plan or a private insurace policy, or perhaps even a combination of the two.

3. Rep. Jan Schakowsky is again not the only Democrat or sole voice on Democratic goals for health care reform. She is one of the most liberal voices in the House. She represents her district. Sorry if that doesn't correlate to your views.

No bills have been brought before commitees in either the house or senate. Until that happens all of this is just smoke in the wind.

We are America Damnit! We can look at what other successful countries have done, and craft a uniquely American solution that will leave freedom of choice for consumers with an active marketplace for private business, while providing the universal coverage that will help drive down overall cost.

Mark June 17, 2009 at 3:13 PM  

Bent, what part of "The government has no right to take over private business" don't you understand?

BenT - the unbeliever,  June 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM  

There are many area where governments duplicate the work of private companies.

Many governments can and do their own transportation projects. Governments maintains and staff their own hospitals. Governments have their own accountants and money managers.

The new public health option is no more an invasion of private business than when municipalities open their own electric utility.

EL June 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM  

"...Damnit! We can look at what other successful countries have done, and craft a uniquely American solution."

What country has implemented a government sponsored health care program that has "successfully" worked, without denying treatment or delaying services?

Why do so many Europeans, Canadians, etc., come to America for medical procedures? Why don't they just rely on their own health care systems if they're so "successful"?

Because they're not.

Bloviating Zeppelin June 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM  

Mark, that is a very illuminated and insightful way of examining it and, upon some cogitation, I concur: there IS no HC "system" per se; it is free enterprise. And I would suggest you consider the use, by Mr Obama, of the Cloward-Piven Strategy which falls quite nicely into his overall radical philosophy and mindset.

I firmly believe it IS, as you write, about the DESTRUCTION of America as we know it.


tugboatcapn June 19, 2009 at 4:38 PM  

Americans spend 7% of our GNP on health care. That is far and away more than any other developed nation. Our satisfaction with health care is less than other developed nations. Something must be done.

Absolutely right. Something MUST be done.

We must grow up and stop whining that our system is not perfect, when it works better here than anywhere else, whether we recognize that fact or not.

We must learn to provide for ourselves, and stop, as a society, trying to figure out a way to force other people to pay the bill for our particular needs and/or desires, and learn to make the hard choices (cellphone, or health insurance, etc) for ourselves.

We must learn that Freedom is more important than Healthcare, because the tragic truth is that to make the wrong choice here means we WILL LOSE BOTH.

Listen: Your health care is none of my business, nor my concern. Neither is mine, yours.

If you do not have health care, get a job that provides it, or go buy a policy for yourself. (There are thousands of companies that will sell it to you.)

If you don't have the money, get a second job, scale back your lifestyle, call your parents, whatever.

But work it out for yourself.

It's nobody's problem BUT YOURS.

For the sake of this Nation, can we PLEASE try to grow up?

Marshall Art June 21, 2009 at 9:21 PM  

I totally agree with Tug's sentiments, as well as the overall sentiment against Barry getting into the health care field. He's done little to show he'd be better at it than was Hillary. As Eric suggested, much of the costs now are a result of gov't interference. Like the with the mortgage crisis, we'll have the boneheads who created the fix trying to fix it. No thanks.

Ben made a point earlier where he listed two options:

"1. Stop caring for uninsured patients who are unable to pay for service.

2. Mandate that everyone purchase health insurance, and create some sort of low-cost basic service public option."

There's a third which he didn't consider. That would be, provide the care for the uninsured, and then bill them. If people are forced to pay for that which they purchase, they will consider the costs and adjust their behaviors accordingly. Just like with taxes, when you mess with peoples' money, they find a way to deal.

Even with standard health insurance policies, people are paying for the bad behaviors of others, as those who don't take care of themselves because they have insurance, cause the cost of that insurance to rise. In a sense, health insurance of any kind is problematic in that regard.

Ideally, I'd prefer that there were no such thing as health insurance at all. Folks would have to live more responsibly and that would include putting money aside for emergencies, like they should be doing anyhow. A free market atmosphere would lower the costs as people eventually gravitate to the best doctors with the best prices.

That might be really pie-in-the-sky at this point, but it is still a good ideal upon which to base any plans for change.

Also, we still have to deal with the claim of how many people don't have health insurance, which is put forth as if every one of those people are crying for it. Many of them don't even want to pay for it. The point is that there are far fewer who want it and don't have it than we are told.

Finally, Ben, as well as some others, think that just because the gov't won't outright own all the hospitals, that socialism is the wrong word to use. We don't need to see "U.S. Hospital" on the front of the building to see socialist practice come into play. Simply too much gov't control or interference is socialist enough. It's a matter of degrees and no matter the temperature, Barry's a socialist.

TRUTH 101 June 24, 2009 at 7:00 PM  

Mark: you have an excellent blog but a draconian opinion on health insurance.

Whether you want to call it a privilege or a right is unimportant. We're all Americans and I believe government has a role in helping make our live better. A single payer system in which we all contribute is good for all of us. It takes the burden of health insurance cost off business. Everyone qualifies for coverage by virtue of their citizenship. Not their health or ability to pay.

Health care providers are guarenteed payment and will no longer have to treat the poor and the deadbeats (Yeah. Even us liberals dislike deadbeats) for nothing.

The paperwork is streamlined for health care providers that have to contact any one of the thousands of HMO's and health insurance companies and wait to see if the claim will be approved.

This is about our Nation coming together to tackle the problem of unaffordable health care.

Thank you for allowing me into the conversation.

Marshall Art June 25, 2009 at 7:09 PM  

Truth 101,

You might believe the gov't has a role in making our lives better, but there's no consitutional mandate for that. You might also want to reconsider that belief by recognizing that in making some lives better with their health care ideas, they're making life worse for others who will be bearing the costs for those who can't or won't pay for their own problems.

I'm no rich guy and I've been laid off since before Christmas. I found insurance that I can handle instead of Cobra. It's out there for anyone who wants it. The trouble is that people aren't taking responsibility for themselves. One might have to make drastic changes to one's lifestyles, but guess what? That's how it's supposed to be. Live within your means and allow for the unexpected.

In addition, as it has been said, the gov't is part of the reason the costs are so high as it is, and just like with the economy, I don't much care for the idea of those who took part in causing the problem having anything to do with trying to "fix" it. They've shown themselves to be quite incapable.

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