"Oh, God!" Parts 1&2

>> Wednesday, February 25, 2009

You've probably read by now that during MSNBC's coverage of the SOTU last night, one of the cable network's staffers muttered an audible "Oh, God" as Bobby Jindal stepped up to the mike to deliver the Opposition Rebuttal speech. I don't know why the righty blogosphere is so up in arms, though. I mean-we ALL know that MSNBC is an extension of the Obama cabinet...and we also ALL know that the GOP is sorely lacking in leadership!

Personally, I purposely did not watch either the POTUS' address or the Republican rebuttal. After reading the back-and-forth on the blogs, though...and the commentary by bloggers I respect, I'm convinced that America truly is on the slippery slope and there is no John Wayne figure willing to step-up and stop its destructive descent!

Sarah Palin CERTAINLY is not who America should depend on to pull Americans' heads out of their arses! And Jindal? He shot his proverbial wad last night.

So...on this occasion, I totally agree with the off-camera utterance by the MSNBC/Obama staffer!

Oh, God!


Earlier today, I had to use the company van and tuned into our local talk-radio station to see what Rush had to say about Obama/Jindal. As he sometimes is, Rush was wrong about how conservatives are treating Jindal today. The VERY reason this nation is so deeply divided today is because the GOP has not figured out how to express the principles upon which they stand on the national stage. George W. Bush failed miserably in even TRYING to learn to look into the camera as he spoke...essential in reaching the public when delivering a message! The GOP doesn't have the balls to stand-up and speak straight to the American people!

Jindal, I'm sure, had the potential to become what America needs in a conservative leader. However, by allowing the GOP to dictate his delivery last night, he indeed spent what spunk he may have had!

God help us!


Eric February 26, 2009 at 8:13 AM  

But you didn't listen to Jindal. You didn't hear WHAT he said. The problem with the right is they are every bit as much lemmings as the left. You shouldn't accept ANYONE'S take on a speech and use THAT as the basis for YOUR OWN opinion. Don't let anyone fill your head with their mush, even Rush Limbaugh... whom I greatly admire.

Jindal said NOTHING wrong. He hit the nail on the head.

Al-Ozarka February 26, 2009 at 9:51 AM  

"A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down", Eric.

My point is one I've seen you make on occasion. The GOP is incapable of grasping the concept that regardless how great its product is, there are people who will go for the flashy packaging of the other vastly inferior brand.

The GOP has absolutely NO confidence in its product these days. From experience, I know that when a salesperson doesn't have confidence in his/her product, sales will plummet.

LEADERSHIP! That's what we need! Not management. Not promises in the dark.

Eric February 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM  

What promises did Jindal shoot in the dark; seeing as how you didn't watch or, presumably, listen?

I agree with that the Rupublican party needs leadership... GENUINE leadership, by why are you trashing a man's address when you haven't even listened to it? That's what LIBERALS do!

Al-Ozarka February 26, 2009 at 10:46 AM  

I've listened to portions of his address. I've also read what savvy bloggers have said...CONSERVATIVE bloggers.

This isn't about substance...we agree that Jindal's political philosophy is sound.

I did write: "Jindal, I'm sure, had the potential to become what America needs in a conservative leader."

This is about style...something in which the GOP is sorely lacking.

I'm not trashing his address. I'm trashing the GOP's inability to get its message across...and the GOP deserves trashing these days for that reason. Jindal, having occupied the spotlight on Tuesday evening, has donned the mantle of the ineffective GOP he represented through the delivery of his rebuttal.

Mark February 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM  

That was Chris Matthews. The so-called unbiased news show host who announced that he gets a tingle up his leg everytime he hears Obama speak.

He needs to be fired.

Mark February 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM  

You know something is wrong with your reasoning when Libtards like Jim agree with you.

Al-Ozarka February 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM  

There's NOTHING wrong with my reasoning, Mark.

Look around, man! Look who's in charge of our government.

Is it because of conservative ideology that we are governed by the most un-American people in history?


It's because conservatism doesn't have a discernible voice these days!

If you truly believe that conservatism is the answer to America's problems, then why is the most liberal government EVAH seated?

I'll tell you why...it's because of delivery problems.

And...I DOUBT that Jim was agreeing with me. He said, "Great comment!" only because I was down on the GOP.

If you're not down on the GOP these days, I reckon there might be something wrong with YOUR reasoning.

You know...that's something that separates us from the left, Mark. That we conservatives are not afraid to bash our own when they deserve it. That's why we condemn the actions of people like Foley while they condone the actions of people like Frank.

Jindal deserves a bit o' bashing for bowing down to the instructions of an impotent GOP.

Marshall Art February 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM  

I'd have to agree with Al insofar as I thought Jindal's delivery was weak. To be sure, it wasn't as strong as Barry's and that's a tough task for anyone. If he was coached into that weakness, he'd do well to tell the party to stuff it. However, I really don't see how it could have gone much better. These retorts are always prepared and stick to the script. Who could've done better? However, I don't think it's affect his stock in the least. Who remembers these responses anyway? I saw another taped response to Barry's speech and if I can remember where I found it, I'll post it. It was every bit as weak in delivery as Jindal's. But both of them were on the money in substance. If Jindal speaks off the cuff or in interviews, or even in debates, I'll bet he comes off a lot better. What we saw in the response was not the real Bobby Jindal.

Eric February 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM  

So it's style over substance? That's how we ended up with Obama.

Eric February 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM  

Twinkies are taste sweet, but they're hell on your body.

Eric February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM  

A bottle of Coca Cola fills an empty gut, but it's no replacement for water.

Eric February 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM  

Jindal (forget his delivery) hit the ball out of the park.

I'm tired of Republicans-- politicians, media, laymen --AND Liberal Media telling me Reagan Conservatism is dead, while lauding Obama as Reagan-esque. It's an abomination to the memory of Reagan.

Good grief! Jindal's delivery is not the issue! It's OBAMA'S! YES!!! He said a lot of stuff that, on the surface, I can't help but agree! It's how he intends to do it all that scares me! It's how he's ALREADY doing it that's destroying this country!

We're spending our time dissing one of our own? Parroting the enemy? He spoke as though to elementary school students? C'mon! Don't let them define your perceptions!

What have WE become!? Stand up! Think for yourself!

Al-Ozarka February 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM  

"So it's style over substance? That's how we ended up with Obama." -Eric

I didn't say that, El!

Substance WITH style will beat style alone.

That's what propelled Obama to where he is...certainly not substance!

We've got the substance! We are in dire need of style to educate the public ABOUT that substance!

"Twinkies are taste sweet, but they're hell on your body." - Eric

Twinkies are all style...no substance. Obama is a twinkie!

"A bottle of Coca Cola fills an empty gut, but it's no replacement for water." -Eric

Again, Coca-Cola is style...not substance! There is no nutritional value in Coca-Cola.

But let's get this straight! Obama ISN'T...WASN'T...and NEVER WILL BE...Coca-Cola. He's Pepsi!

What the GOP needs to be is V-8!

"I'm tired of Republicans-- politicians, media, laymen --AND Liberal Media telling me Reagan Conservatism is dead, while lauding Obama as Reagan-esque. It's an abomination to the memory of Reagan." - Eric

Reagan conservatism isn't dead and nowhere in my post or in subsequent comments have I claimed so...it (conservatism) just doesn't have a Ronald Reagan to educate the public about it!

Al-Ozarka February 26, 2009 at 4:20 PM  

About that Coke...things go better with Coke, right? Even conservatism?

Marshall Art February 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM  

Again, I have to agree with Al (not that that would ever be a problem or an unusual thing). What made Reagan so great was that he did have the style to go with the substance. This is what concerns Al, and frankly, myself, about the GOP in general. Even when they're sticking to conservatism (how long's it been since they've done that?), they, as a group, did a crappy job with defending against the lies of the left and trumpeting the successes and overall, just educating the masses as to why our way is a better way. I think Jindal has that quality naturally and that he would be a good spokesman if not guided by "marketing gurus" within the party. They're idiots. Even Newt Gingrich lacks what is required to attract the ears of those who might now be opponents, as well as the fence riders. And he really knows his stuff! Barry's style has gotten him to the pinnacle. It's gonna take either a lot of pain on the part of America before America gets the message about this guy, or, it will take someone from the right who is every bit as charismatic to bring the substance to the masses. The important masses are the masses of sheep who are persuaded by style alone. They need to have their attention attracted and held long enough for the better ideologies and philosophies to be spoon fed by an articulate and charismatic speaker.

Here's that conservative response to which I earlier referred. You'll all note that this guy wouldn't send a tingle up Chris Matthews leg either, but he, too, delivers the goods otherwise.

BenT - the Unbeliever,  February 27, 2009 at 4:03 AM  

I heard a good deal of Jindall's speech. What burned my butter was when he said Louisiana didn't get any federal help after Hurricane Katrina and that was fine because they didn't need any.

I mean how wrong can you be?

1. Show me anyone who thinks New Orleans and greater Louisiana shouldn't have gotten even MORe immediate disaster aid from the federal government.

and 2. Congress passed a $62-Billion aid package for Katrina relief. If Gov. Bobby Jindall doesn't think they needed that money then I want him to send it back.

The man was a poor example of conservative thought. ... or rhetoric.

Al-Ozarka February 27, 2009 at 5:16 AM  


I'm glad you brought up Katrina!

I've spoken to several power-crews who have been in our area repairing the damage from the recent ice-storms. These people ALL agree that the damage from the ice was more devastating and widespread than Katrina. This is not their opinion, it is common knowledge among the power industry.

Where was your Messiah when po' white folk were suffering in the extreme cold? The media, for the most part, IGNORED the devastation! Government....BARRY's government...FAILED middle-America!

Personally...in the spirit of Kanye West...I think he was hatin' on white-people!

At least Bush flew over the Big-Easy to witness the devastation and mayhem the residents heaped upon themselves during the aftermath of Katrina!

Barry-Boy did the Big-Easy, too! He sat in his Big-Easy chair during his Super-Bowl party at 1600!

Whay aren't people like you outraged over that like you were outraged over the response to Katrina?

Mind you - there is a MAJOR difference between the public's response to the two disasters. While New Orleans' residents whined and played victim, Middle-America used common-sense before and AFTER the ice-storm and took responsibility upon themselves rather than depending on government to help them.

There are STILL people here in Ozarks living without water and power!

While your precious "saviour" parties in DC!

BenT - the unbeliever,  February 27, 2009 at 6:54 AM  

Which major city did the ice storms destroy so totally that it has to be rebuilt from the ground up? How many millions have the ice storms displaced? Deaths? Economic impacts?

Your anecdotal comparisons are quaint for their incompleteness. Hurricane Katrina was a disaster the likes of which happens once every century.

Al-Ozarka February 27, 2009 at 7:52 AM  

Dude! HUNDREDS of small towns...WHOLE COUNTYS were devastated!

But...you have made my point, though...you would NEVER admit it. Katrina caused havoc among the populace because the populace acted irresponsibly. Come to the area devastated by the ice-storms, BenT! That's how to see the devastation, you know...because you CERTAINLY will not learn of it through the liberal media or the Messiah administration!

How could you understand anyway? You have heard NOTHING about how the ice-storms have...and will...affect the mid-west because your media gurus have IGNORED it!

I repeat my assertion - Barry O hates white people.

Call Entergy and ask them about the devastation. Call them and ask them what they think about the difference between how the people of the mid-west handled the disaster compared to how the people of the Big easy handled their own. Ask them which will have the greatest impact...which was more widespread. Then ask them why they think the Barrack Obama media has ignored it!

I know for a FACt that more efforts were put into the Katrina recovery SOONER...MUCH, MUCH sooner than the ice-storms.

But we ain't O's constituency, are we?

Al-Ozarka February 27, 2009 at 7:53 AM  

But...as usual...a leftist schmuck has managed to get us off-topic.

It's their only means of debate.

Eric February 27, 2009 at 8:32 AM  

"68 billion aid package"

Mississippi saw just as much devastation (if not more) than New Orleans. Katrina got all the press because of the flooding, and the resultant deaths. That 68 billion aid package did not go to New Orleans alone.

And for the record, Jindal did NOT say,

"Louisiana didn't get any federal help after Hurricane Katrina and that was fine because they didn't need any."

How could your ears be so defective? Or perhaps you simply heard what you wanted to hear? Perhaps you too are relying on others for your opinion, because, what Jindal ACTUALLY said was,

"The boats were all lined up ready to go -- when some bureaucrat showed up and told them they couldn't go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration. I told him, "Sheriff, that's ridiculous." And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: "Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!" Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people.

There is a lesson in this experience: The strength of America is not found in our government. It is found in the compassionate hearts and enterprising spirit of our citizens.

We are grateful for the support we have received from across the nation for the ongoing recovery efforts. This spirit got Louisiana through the hurricanes -- and this spirit will get our nation through the storms we face today."

BUREAUCRACY refusing the aid of citizenry, not CITIZENRY refusing aid.

Your "butter" was burnt needlessly.

[Here's a link to Jindal's speech]. How 'bout reading what he ACTUALLY said.

There is nothing wrong with Jindal's conservatism or rhetoric. He rightly sees that America's strength is in the hands and hearts of the American people. Liberalism sees America's strength in the power of government TO the people. But there is no strength in government without the hearts and hands of people. Government is a tool... a hammer... it has no power of its own without a hand to wield it. It has no power for good unless wielded responsibly.

Al-Ozarka February 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM  


Seems as if the Obama administration has been reading our comments!

BenT - the unbeliever,  February 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM  

Here was the quote I was thinking of "Today in Washington, some are promising that government will rescue us from the economic storms raging all around us. Those of us who lived through Hurricane Katrina, we have our doubts. "

Followed by the FEMA boat story which is looking more and more like an exaggeration.
"First, for example, Lee later acknowledged that he "didn't find out about the license and registration issue until about seven days after the incident." Second, Jindal couldn't have seen Lee arguing during the crisis, since Jindal wasn't in New Orleans while people were stranded on roofs. Third, as Roth documents, details of Jindal's story have "evolved" over time."

We obviously took different messages from that section. I stand by my original claim that Jindall was not an effective speaker for his party's message.

Al-Ozarka February 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM  

Wrong, BenT. Jindal carried the message EXACTLY as the GOP instructed him to do. That's the problem, see?

Haven't you been reading the comments?

Eric February 27, 2009 at 1:53 PM  

"Today ... Those of us who lived through Hurricane Katrina, we have our doubts."

I'm sorry Ben, but that still doesn't equate to:

"...he said Louisiana didn't get any federal help after Hurricane Katrina and that was fine because they didn't need any."

These two quotes? They're simply not the same.

"...FEMA boat story which is looking more and more like an exaggeration."

Says who? You're relying on someone else to define your perceptions. WHY is the boat story looking more and more... etc.? It's looking more and more unlikely that Obama is a genuine natural born citizen of the United States! [that was snark, btw]

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