What Difference Does it Make?

>> Monday, December 8, 2008

David Horowitz asks the question.

I'll answer by saying, "ONE HELL OF A LOT OF DIFFERENCE!"

First, let me make it perfectly clear. I personally do not buy into the notion that Barrack Obama is not an American Citizen. I believe he is a naturally born American citizen and until there is sufficient proof to the contrary I will continue to believe that.


Horowitz asks the question as if there is nothing harmful about usurping the requirements for the highest office on Earth which our nation has lived by throughout its complete existence. The fact is that his attitude is very much the reason we find ourselves a morally bankrupt people...a corrupt and dying nation. We have ignored common-sense rules laid down by our forefathers out of complacency and convenience.

It's also attitudes such as he exhibits in the question that explains why we are now embroiled in an epic struggle against an evil and determined Islamic enemy.

What difference would it have made had we nipped things in the bud before they got out of hand?


This nation will fail because noone has the guts to stand up for what is right as a leader.


More evidence of a lack of gonads.

When it comes to a choice between Party and Principle, I'll take principle.

What has happened to leadership in this nation?


BenT - the unbeliever,  December 8, 2008 at 4:54 PM  

This is the problem when you build a political party solely around social issues. Eventually someone loses. And conservatives have lost on abortion, gay rights, and almost all of the other social issues of the 1970's.

Today's young people have a centrist, moderate view of social issues that is more in line with democrats. Until the republican party can find new causes to rally around, they will be a regional and minority party.

Mark December 8, 2008 at 7:56 PM  

Horowitz is wrong anyway. He says, "McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American".

McCain didn't "narrowly" escape anything. Both of McCain's parents are American citizens. According to the Constitution, any baby born to an American citizen, regardless of where the birth takes place, is automatically an American citizen.

Barack Obama may have been born in Kenya, but as long as his mother was an American citizen at the time, that makes him an American citizen whether he likes it or not.

The argument that he had to renounce his American citizenship doesn't hold water, either. It makes no difference if he renounces his American citizenship, he was still born an American citizen, thus, he always will be. Now, if there is proof that neither of his parents were American citizens when he was born, and he was born outside the United States, that would be a legitimate argument.

Still, if he is an American citizen, all he would have to do is produce a legitimate birth certificate, and that would bring the issue to a close. Why won't he do that? What is he hiding?

This kind of reminds me of the question, why didn't Saddam simply allow the UN inspectors into every part of his country and prove he didn't have WMD? Why did he continue to let us think he had them when he didn't? Or did he?

Maybe he doesn't know this, but if his birth certificate has been lost, or he doesn't know where he can lay his hand on it, all he has to do is contact the Capital of the state he was born in, request a certified copy, and pay them 10 or 15 dollars, and they will send him a certified duplicate forthwith.

Jim December 8, 2008 at 11:12 PM  


The legitimate birth certificate has been produced and verified as valid by the state of Hawaii. It's a closed issue.

Al-Ozarka December 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM  

"This is the problem when you build a political party solely around social issues." BenT - Believe's there is no God

And the Democrat Party is not built around its perception of social issues?

Give me a break. The striking difference between the two parties has long been social issues.

The problem with the GOP is that the well-defined line is being blurred.

No leadership.

BenT - the unbeliever,  December 9, 2008 at 2:45 PM  

The democratic party base focuses on a wider range of issues than just social issues.

There are environmentalists.
There are homosexuals.
There are pacifists.
There are atheists.
There are unions.
There are educators.
There are lawyers.

These are some of the core democratic blocs and they care about more than gay marriage, abortion, and prayer in school. And so the party as a whole is stronger. What are the opinion blocs in the republican party?

Al-Ozarka December 9, 2008 at 2:55 PM  

Environmentalism isn't a social issue?
Homosexuality isn't?
War is not?
Atheism isn't?
Unions aren't?
Education isn't?
The law isn't?

Of course they are!

Common Sense.
Responsible Behavior.
Hard Work

I could go on with core values of conservatism but why should I. We all know the score.

Jim December 9, 2008 at 11:52 PM  

Common Sense.
Responsible Behavior.
Hard Work

These are liberal values, actually.

Al-Ozarka December 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM  

"These are liberal values, actually."

To one with a perverted sense of each, maybe.

Mark December 11, 2008 at 8:02 AM  

Jim, I don't know if it is a closed issues yet. There are still some(and I am not one)who say the copies of the birth certificate displayed so far are forgeries. I don't know if there is merit to that claim or not. I supose there are also some who will never believe the truth even when it hits them between the eyes. As I said, Unless positive proof appears, I will assume he's legal. Even if I wish he weren't.

Feodor December 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM  

Mark give advice on how to find a birth cerificate to the President-elect and eighty members of his staff.

And the Supreme Court isn't bright enough to close the issue for him.

Mark thinks he's smarter than two thirds of our governmental structure.

Al-Ozarka December 11, 2008 at 2:22 PM  


Don't the people who Mark refers to who are unsure that his birth certificate is legitimate have as much right to pursue their suspicions to the very end much like your endless baseless accusations against the Bush administration and the Truthers' idiotoc conspiracy theories?

Answer? Yes, OF COURSE they do.

Or is this another case of "It's okay for me but not for thee" as is suggested in the post?

I suspect that's exactly what it is.

Feodor December 11, 2008 at 3:34 PM  

Is "Truthers" referring to something specific you can tell me about or is that part of what passes for English in Izard county?

Al-Ozarka December 12, 2008 at 9:52 AM  

Actually, Feodork, "Truthers" has been in the national vocabulary for a number of years now. Where have you been? Head stuck in the sand?

Feodor December 12, 2008 at 12:30 PM  

Sorry, Izard, I don't watch Housewives of Atlanta and J-Off like you.

Al-Ozarka December 13, 2008 at 6:51 AM  

Very intelligent discourse, Feodork!

Feodor December 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM  

I work with what I'm given.

Now, if you can dredge up something half worthwhile, you'll get pearls in return, Sus scrofa.

Al-Ozarka December 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM  

Okay, Feodork.

Why don't you stop watching fags on parade on the LOGO channel and get a clue.

How's that?

Feodor December 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM  

You do watch Housewives, don't you!? I seem to have struck a nerve.

You get off watching Housewives? Man, you're hard up, Izard. Is it leopard-print tights for you?

You'd love Staten Island, Izard. Your kind congregate there. Though, like Arkansas, there are plenty of nice white people to redeem it.

Al-Ozarka December 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM  

You keep showing your intense bigotry, Feodork. I don't know if you've noticed, dumb*ss...I am profoundly proud of my hillbilly heritage.

Even though I'm just an Arkansas hillbilly from a place called Izard to your prejudiced little mind, I am absolutely CERTAIN I've experienced vastly more culture than you in my life.

I've climbed the slopes of Fuji, hiked the Sumerian Gorge on several occasions, and even danced amongst the standing stones of the Salisbury Plain (something VERY few alive have done).

It's entertaining to see you show your overt bigotry.

For someone who seems to think watching "Housewives" is somehow an indication of ignorance, you sure seem to know an awful lot about it.

I suspect you were raised watching Jerry Springer. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if you were a guest on his show!

Getting back to the subject of the post, though...Barry-O was ashamed of his name during the POTUS Campaign. It wasn't good enough to be spoken by the media back then...now he's gonna flaunt it.

Of course, the way this Blago thingy's going, it's becoming clear he had good reason to want to hide his past from the American people, ain't it?

But nothing...no matter how unethical or unseemly...could ever convince his flock he was ever anything less than the Messiah, eh?

Jerry Springer made his fortune exploiting liberals JUST LIKE YOU, Feodork.

Al-Ozarka December 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM  

Comfort yourself with your bigotry, Feodork. It's all you've got.

Feodor December 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM  

LIke I said, there are plenty of nice white hillbillies with good hearts that redeem Arkansas from stupid ass haters like you.

It's not a hillbilly thing. It is cheap, black heart thing. And a jaunt around the world does not a tender heart make.

Jackass can be found in the summers in Rio or Ouro Preto, weeks in Skellig Michael, Hagia Sophia, Chartres, the Alhambra, or rafting the Ganges or fishing for Piranha on the Rio Negro. I've seen it.

Al-Ozarka December 13, 2008 at 11:17 PM  

The only black-hearted bigotry around here is what has been displayed by you, Feodork.

You called me indecent...funny coming from one who defends perverts and encourages the murder of innocent babies.

Not to mention one who openly wishes the islamic terrorists in Iraq had more American targets to boost their body-counts.

Purely for political purposes, of course.

"Indecent", your understanding of that word is probably equivalent to your understanding of "progress" and "rational".

Feodor December 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM  

So I guess our mutual travelogue is over?

All your empty boasts:

"I voted for a black man before you did!"
"I am absolutely CERTAIN I've experienced vastly more culture than you in my life."

By the way, hiking in a river gorge and weaving drunk through the stones of the Beaker people do not a "culture experience" make. Since Cretans don't watch Housewives, you probably had nothing in common to start a discussion.

You may have gotten along with the crazy women who camps her puny trailer at Na Seacht dTeampaill on Inis Mór and makes fantastic Aran sweaters.

Marshall Art December 15, 2008 at 1:44 AM  

"And a jaunt around the world does not a tender heart make."

And now you seem to want to prove it, Feodor. Work with what you're given? Isn't that the same as, "Well, he did it first!!"? Grow up.

Al-Ozarka December 15, 2008 at 4:48 AM  


Why are you ashamed to let people know from whence you hail?

Doing a quick google-search of the place titles I used does not a cultured intellect make, either.

I've made friends all over the world during my lifetime. Unlike you, I'd wager.

Feodor December 15, 2008 at 2:13 PM  

Ashamed? Why should I be ashamed?

LIke I said, a jaunt around the world is not an education. Paris HIlton has been around the world. You were the one making it sound as if careening around Stonehenge gave you a font of intelligence. And made a losing bet that you were, oh, so more travelled.

You're 0 for 2 and now you want to bet again? Desperate and, still, way off the topic of the meaninglessness of questioning Obama's natural born citizenship status when his mother was American. That's all it takes.

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