tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post5373591344255883239..comments2023-05-10T04:52:13.662-05:00Comments on American Descent: I Laugh at Liberals, Our Enemies Laugh at ObamaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-46125287609408628602008-11-17T13:20:00.000-06:002008-11-17T13:20:00.000-06:00"Show me, that I may learn..."Just google "Dan Tra..."Show me, that I may learn..."<BR/><BR/>Just google "Dan Trabue", Dan.<BR/><BR/>And study the results...really study them. You'll get it eventually.Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-24283395794613052742008-11-13T21:52:00.000-06:002008-11-13T21:52:00.000-06:00If you say the sky is blue, he will present an arg...<I>If you say the sky is blue, he will present an argument that it isn't and then insist you agree with him.</I><BR/><BR/>I see. How so? <I>Where</I> have I argued for argument's sake? <BR/><BR/>Show me, that I may learn and stop doing so (it would not surprise me if you were able to demonstrate such an incidence, I am only human. Show me, and I shall apologize for arguing for argument's sake.<BR/><BR/><I>"If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.<BR/><BR/>If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that <B>'every fact may be established</B> on the testimony of two or three witnesses.</I><BR/><BR/>~Jesus' command to usDan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-66792157792650819612008-11-13T20:30:00.000-06:002008-11-13T20:30:00.000-06:00So which is it? Do you have his number that he is...So which is it? Do you have his number that he is on a mission of evil? Or do you just think he likes to argue?<BR/><BR/>I detect a lack of solidarity on an important issue here.Geoffrey Kruse-Saffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242660591954094499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-52487392400623532902008-11-13T19:57:00.000-06:002008-11-13T19:57:00.000-06:00Saul Alinsky was an admitted avowed Marxist. His b...Saul Alinsky was an admitted avowed Marxist. His book wasn't a guide book for community organizers. It was a text book for aspiring Marxists. The community organization bit was just a means to an end. He advocated infiltrating politics under the guise of community organizing, with the express purpose of destroying Democracy from within. Like Alinsky, Obama believes the end justifies the means, no matter how unethical, illegal, or fattening. <BR/><BR/>How can someone be trained as a Marxist from his youth, sit listening enthralled at a Marxist's knee, study and teach from a Marxist book, and have no Marxist ideologies rub off on him? <BR/><BR/>In a fantasy land, maybe. Like the one you live in, Geoff.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-551088529772096922008-11-13T19:46:00.000-06:002008-11-13T19:46:00.000-06:00Oh, Dan's not a bad guy. He just likes to argue.If...Oh, Dan's not a bad guy. He just likes to argue.<BR/><BR/>If you say the sky is blue, he will present an argument that it isn't and then insist you agree with him.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-89338370078510754032008-11-13T19:44:00.000-06:002008-11-13T19:44:00.000-06:00Dan knows the evidence is there. I long ago figure...Dan knows the evidence is there. <BR/><BR/>I long ago figured out that Dan is not deluded. He knows he's wrong and revels in being wrong. He is on a mission of evil in my book.<BR/><BR/>And he knows it. <BR/><BR/>I've read his crap for three years now...I've got his number as the rest of us do around here.Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-66581067449028798592008-11-13T19:21:00.000-06:002008-11-13T19:21:00.000-06:00Dan, dude - you are truly Satanic. Not only an en...Dan, dude - you are truly Satanic. Not only an enemy of America, but God as well. May I join your evil conspiracy against mother, apple pie, baseball, and all things wholesome and good?Geoffrey Kruse-Saffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242660591954094499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-687567897014978122008-11-13T13:09:00.000-06:002008-11-13T13:09:00.000-06:00mm-hmmm. How so?mm-hmmm. How so?Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-7162812859251440142008-11-13T12:52:00.000-06:002008-11-13T12:52:00.000-06:00Allright, Cap'n.I'll say it. Dan Trabue...you are ...Allright, Cap'n.<BR/><BR/>I'll say it. <BR/><BR/>Dan Trabue...you are an enemy of America...and an enemy of God.Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-26677452180225201532008-11-12T15:07:00.000-06:002008-11-12T15:07:00.000-06:00A) Mark, Alinsky's Rules for Radicals concerns com...A) Mark, Alinsky's <I>Rules for Radicals</I> concerns community organizing; Obama used it on the South Side of Chicago, and nationally, to organize not his policy, but his <I>campaign</I>.<BR/><BR/>B) I do not consider myself an intellectual at all. As Brant Parker and Johnny Hart wrote once in their cartoon "B.C.", a "pseudo-intellectual" is someone who knows what "pseudo" means; since you're the genius, could you help me out, because I thought it meant "false, fraudulent, erroneous".<BR/><BR/>C) I do so wish you would continue to claim Obama is a socialist, because that only keeps my hopes up. Sad to say, he is most likely to keep Robert Gates at Defense, which sends exactly the wrong signal; he plans to give corporations more free money (which, I suppose, is a kind of socialism); he wants to keep Joe Lieberman in the Democratic caucus in the Senate. These things are hardly the marks of a radical. Most of us liberals are pretty upset about these kinds of things.<BR/><BR/>D) I'm glad you feel comfortable enough with me to (a) misspell my name; and (b) use a familiar diminutive ("Jeffy") that only someone with real affection in their heart would us. Sadly, I'm taken, so you'll just have to yearn in your heart. . . .Geoffrey Kruse-Saffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242660591954094499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-2136146754064991112008-11-12T07:22:00.000-06:002008-11-12T07:22:00.000-06:00Jeffy writes, "Mark, I only sneer at you because y...Jeffy writes, "<I>Mark, I only sneer at you because you actually believe totalitarianism is a-comin'.</I>"<BR/><BR/>It must have been excrutiating for you to type that "Americana colloquialism", being the "intellectual" you believe yourself to be.<BR/><BR/>No, Jeffy, I don't believe totalitarianism is coming. I believe Obama plans will lead to totalitarianism. <BR/><BR/>If he's allowed to implement them.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe Lenin originally intended to create a fascist state when he led the Bolshevik revolution, either. I believe he, like Obamaniacs, believe Marx's vison of a Utopia was possible. But when he found it wasn't possible, that revelation, along with his new found taste of power, was the beginning of totalitarianism.<BR/><BR/>No, I don't believe it's "a-comin". And I don't believe Obama is an evil genius. I just believe he is naive, and deluded. I believe he believes he can make Socialism work. He has allowed Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to form his policy, rather than the United States Constitution, which he believes is "fundamentally flawed" (his own words). <BR/><BR/>I still hold out hope that Americans will come to their collective senses and prevent him from accomplishing his lofty goals of Socialism.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-72010247490761906672008-11-11T22:23:00.000-06:002008-11-11T22:23:00.000-06:00See there?I try to apologize, and my gesture of go...See there?<BR/><BR/>I try to apologize, and my gesture of goodwill is met with nothing but personal attack.<BR/><BR/>There is absolutely no reasoning with these people!tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-47841173681637412162008-11-11T22:06:00.000-06:002008-11-11T22:06:00.000-06:00"The circular logic, the childish personal attacks..."The circular logic, the childish personal attacks, the smug condescension coupled with such a level of abject stupidity is sometime too much to bear."<BR/><BR/>How does your wife take it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-39952161210542857512008-11-11T17:48:00.000-06:002008-11-11T17:48:00.000-06:00Maybe now we can all discuss the issues facing us ...Maybe now we can all discuss the issues facing us with a spirit of bi-partisanship, and mutual respect.<BR/><BR/>I feel so much better.tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-19750585840643960192008-11-11T17:35:00.000-06:002008-11-11T17:35:00.000-06:00Dan, I apologize for losing my temper this morning...Dan, I apologize for losing my temper this morning.<BR/><BR/>You are not an enemy of America.<BR/><BR/>An enemy of common sense, an enemy of truth, an enemy of sound public policy maybe...<BR/><BR/>But not an enemy of America.<BR/><BR/>You are not that important.<BR/><BR/>You have to realize how utterly tiresome, tedious and boring it is to try to have a discussion anywhere around you, with your ridiculous opinions and demands for evidence for the most insignificant points.<BR/><BR/>The circular logic, the childish personal attacks, the smug condescension coupled with such a level of abject stupidity is sometime too much to bear.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry.<BR/><BR/>I should have remembered who I was talking to.<BR/><BR/>Will you please forgive me for calling you an enemy of America?<BR/><BR/>I really hope that we can put this incident behind us.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-18441736731664022482008-11-11T16:54:00.000-06:002008-11-11T16:54:00.000-06:00Spin facts 180 degrees? At least I begin with fac...Spin facts 180 degrees? At least I begin with facts.<BR/><BR/>I am an enemy of America. . . .<BR/><BR/>That is so tired, so lame, and not at all insulting. It's just name calling, pure and simple. You folks can't even agree to disagree, can't even accept that there are different ways to be American. I feel bad for you, because time, history, and politics are leaving you behind. I will continue to come here and comment, though, because it's fun.Geoffrey Kruse-Saffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242660591954094499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-71257762032877441802008-11-11T16:50:00.000-06:002008-11-11T16:50:00.000-06:00Mark, I only sneer at you because you actually bel...Mark, I only sneer at you because you actually believe totalitarianism is a-comin'.<BR/><BR/>Tugboatcapn, all I can say is that obviously the rest of the world doesn't have America's interests at heart. Why should they? We don't have their interests at heart. That is the way the world is. The difference is that we can either approach the world as if it is some scary dark forest full of evil creatures, or just a bunch of other countries trying to influence events and put forward their own agendas and interests even as we do, and figure out ways to work with them when we can, and agree to disagree when we can't.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, that's all there is to it.Geoffrey Kruse-Saffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242660591954094499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-64502289402115892832008-11-11T10:08:00.000-06:002008-11-11T10:08:00.000-06:00Absolutely astounding how Geoff and co. can spin f...Absolutely astounding how Geoff and co. can spin facts 180 degrees.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-20289159273151931282008-11-11T09:53:00.000-06:002008-11-11T09:53:00.000-06:00Jeff further states:"the issues with which we need...Jeff further states:<BR/><BR/>"the issues with which we need to deal on a global scale include global warming, some kind of supranational structure of economic and financial regulation, and various health threats..." <BR/><BR/>My side's staring to hurt!<BR/><BR/>So funny. So absolutely anti-intellectual! And they want to call us uneduacated hicks!<BR/><BR/>Harumph!Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-59448082680335375072008-11-11T09:50:00.000-06:002008-11-11T09:50:00.000-06:00Geoffery said"I do not, indeed, see any "enemies" ...Geoffery said<BR/><BR/>"I do not, indeed, see any "enemies" at all..."<BR/><BR/>C'mon, Jeff, not again!<BR/><BR/>Guffaw!Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-91689237860751324942008-11-11T08:03:00.000-06:002008-11-11T08:03:00.000-06:00Well done, Tug, Mark. Nicely validated my point.An...Well done, Tug, Mark. Nicely validated my point.<BR/><BR/>And thanks for the link.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-45340712403679784152008-11-11T07:12:00.000-06:002008-11-11T07:12:00.000-06:00And for proof that Dan has a feeble brain, go here...And for proof that Dan has a feeble brain, go here.<BR/><BR/>http://paynehollow.blogspot.com/tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-87917535587482777232008-11-11T07:11:00.000-06:002008-11-11T07:11:00.000-06:00You see, this is part of the problem that many of ...<I>You see, this is part of the problem that many of us (the majority of the US, I'd suggest) have with the Bush/Palin/Tug/Eric approach: It is anti-science, anti-intellectualism. It is based on gut feelings.</I><BR/><BR/>Proof? Evidence? Anything to back your claim that my approach is anti-science, anti-intellectual, or solely based on gut-feeling?<BR/><BR/>Dan, you are like a Koo-Koo clock. <BR/><BR/>"Proof! Proof!"<BR/><BR/>I trust my gut a whole lot further than I trust your feeble brain.<BR/><BR/>Mark is exactly right. YOU GUYS are the real enemies of America, and you are quite ecstacic.<BR/><BR/>There's your proof.tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-34110534175998711722008-11-11T06:25:00.000-06:002008-11-11T06:25:00.000-06:00The real enemies are people like Geoffrey, D. Trab...The real enemies are people like Geoffrey, D. Trabue, and Feodor, who gleefully embrace the coming totalitarian state and condescendly sneer at us common people for attempting to warn them.<BR/><BR/>When America falls, it will come from within, and these pseudo-intellectuals are hastening our demise.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-570497968855832694.post-86355946937117954132008-11-11T05:48:00.000-06:002008-11-11T05:48:00.000-06:00You see, this is part of the problem that many of ...You see, this is part of the problem that many of us (the majority of the US, I'd suggest) have with the Bush/Palin/Tug/Eric approach: It is anti-science, anti-intellectualism. It is based on gut feelings.<BR/><BR/>"I THINK that the world is laughing at us, therefore it is." "If I THINK Iraq is a threat, then it is." "If I THINK the best way to deal with this perceived threat is to invade that country unprovoked - if I THINK the people there will welcome us with open arms as liberators - then that's most likely true. I gots a feelin' in my gut..." <BR/><BR/>Proof is for sissies in this worldview and anyone who requests that you actually provide evidence is suspect as someone who is too dependent upon "science."<BR/><BR/>No thanks. I don't believe I'm alone in not trusting Bush's or Eric's or Tug's gut.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.com