Evidence: Democrat Civil War Is Larger Than Realized

>> Thursday, October 28, 2010

Not sure how long this 'Open Letter' will remain up at Hillbuzz.org, so I'm posting it here in full. For all of you who hate to read anything of length, fair warning-- it's a long read.

Dear Rush,

It’s my great hope that some of your listeners find a way to get this letter to you, or that it makes it to “Snerdley” and finds its way into your hands. I don’t think even you understand just how much damage Obama has done to the Democrat Party — to the point where formerly lifelong Democrats like myself, and everyone here at HillBuzz.org, are actively working to expose the party and literally burn it to the ground for the good of the country.

None of this is being reported in the media, but a Civil War in the Democrat ranks has been raging since May 31st, 2008…a date every Hillary Clinton supporter knows well, because that was the date of the Democrat Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting where Howard Dean (then-DNC Chair), Donna Brazile, and scores of other Kool-Aid slurping Obama flunkies took off their masks and revealed the full extent of the Leftist coup that had taken over the party. This was the day when the DNC took delegates Hillary Clinton won in Michigan away from her and handed them to Obama (despite the fact he wasn’t even on the primary ballot in that state, because he removed his name when his campaign realized he’d come in third in that race).

May 31st, 2008 was a day when Hillary “babes” (as you call us sometimes) like us flew to Washington in large numbers to stand outside the Marriott near the National Zoo, where this Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting was held, to shout for the DNC to count all the votes and operate the nominating process fairly — but they refused. The anger over that day has never abated. In fact, it’s grown considerably since then.

This was the determining factor in millions of us leaving the Democrat Party for good. This was the day when the P.U.M.A. movement began — in response to Donna Brazile’s calls for “party unity” following the Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting, we “Hillary babes” said “Party Unity My A$$” (or People United Means Action, depending on how you want to phrase it). Exit polls showed 8 million PUMA voted Republican for the first time in our lives in the fall of 2008…casting ballots for McCain/Palin (and in truth, mainly for Palin, whom we support, and not to a small degree because she receives many of the same attacks lobbed at Hillary Clinton all these years).

You seem to know most of all this, so I’ll end the history lesson by noting the people alienated by the Democrat Party during the primaries in 2008 — where it was clear the party and the media colluded at great lengths to push Obama while hammering Hillary Clinton into the ground — never came back to the Democrat Party.

This is also when most of us stopped using the term “Democratic Party”, since there’s nothing “democratic” about these people. They are the “Democrat Party”, and even that is hard to acknowledge because they really and truly have proved themselves to be enemies of real democracy.

I’m still registered as a Democrat here in Chicago (because the Cocktail Party GOP establishment so disgusts me I can’t will myself to party-ID Republican, and there’s no Independent option here in Illinois) but I can’t imagine ever voting for another Democrat again, as long as I live. To Hell with Democrats. This was solidified for me on Christmas Eve of last year, when Democrats rushed Obamacare through the Senate in the dead of night, through various secret channels, and every single Democrat voted for its passage (even supposed moderates like Evan Bayh in Indiana, who quickly realized his vote would cost him re-election…so the coward retired rather then face angry voters over what he did). I just don’t believe Democrats should be given elected office by voters because they cannot be trusted to even read bills before they vote on them, not even when said bills seek to permanently alter the entire American economy. This is reckless and reprehensible to the point of treason.

I was a Democrat for 32 years before the heavy-handed push for Obama alienated me from the party…and I borrow what Hillary Clinton said about Republicans once, back when she was a Goldwater Girl, and will paraphrase by saying that I didn’t leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me.

After it beat me to a pulp, called me a racist, berated and insulted me, and used Alinsky Rules to hit me with everything it had. Not just me, but all Hillary supporters.

This is the part I don’t think you understand because I don’t know if you and your listeners paid much attention to what the Obama campaign and DNC did to malign and assault Hillary Clinton’s supporters during the 2008 campaign. None of this has been forgotten by any of us.

If you have not seen it already, Rush, you need to watch Gigi Gaston’s documentary “We Will Not Be Silenced 2008″. I’m featured in a segment on the voter fraud that was committed in the Iowa Caucus back in January of 2008. While I was always aware Democrats use unions and other means to cheat in elections, I never knew the Democrat Party was capable of the large-scale, aggressive, unapologetic fraud it committed on Obama’s behalf all through 2008. In Iowa, I watched Obama’s ACORN and SEIU goons push and shove old people, bully them, and intimidate them when they wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton. I saw scores of Illinois license plates fill the parking lots outside caucus locations, with Chicagoland Obama supporters illegally entering the Caucus sites to vote for Obama and game Iowa for him. Having planned ahead, Obama supporters actually RAN those caucus sites, and held the doors open for all these fraudulent voters to walk right in, without being asked for IDs, where they then took control of the caucuses and bullied the Iowa residents into supporting Obama — lest they be called RAAACISTS! out in the open in front of their friends and neighbors in those open-air caucuses.

The media has never talked about this. I don’t remember ever hearing you talk about it. But one of the biggest reasons the Democrats are in the trouble they’re in right now is because of how frequently the Left and the media (one and the same, really) called anyone who opposed Obama a RAAACIST. If you supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries instead of Obama, you were called a RAAACIST. If you were someone like me who fundraised for Hillary, who hosted events for her, who put yourself out there and wrote columns advocating her or did media spots talking up her candidacy, you were aggressively targeted by the Obama campaign and his supporters…relentlessly attacked as a RAAACIST! and assaulted with the Alinksy Rules for Radicals in hopes of breaking your spirit, terrorizing you, and making you abandon Clinton for fear of having these people destroy your life, ruin your business, and make you an absolute pariah in your community.

This is what the Obama campaign, the media, and the DNC did to DEMOCRATS.

For almost a year, the Obama zealots and the Left waged all-out-war not just on Hillary Clinton, but on lifelong, loyal, dyed-in-the-wool Democrat voters like me. This came straight from the top, from Obama himself. Both he and his wife Michelle called the Clintons racists. Obama’s surrogates like James Clyburne, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, John Lewis, and others called Geraldine Ferraro, Madeline Albright, and others racists. The Obamas toxified the South Carolina primary, in particular, with foul race-baiting and turned North Carolina and Indiana into racial powder kegs by ramping up accusations that anyone not supporting Obama was a vile racist that needed to be pounded into the ground.

Stephanie Tubbs Jones, my former Congresswoman back home in Cleveland, was a black Hillary Clinton supporter to the very end — and she was called a “race-traitor”, an “Aunt Jane”, and all manner of worse names as she was bullied, berated, and verbally assaulted by the Obama team…because she was black and dared to stand with her friend Hillary Clinton, the person Tubbs Jones knew would make a better president than “The One”. To her dying day in August of 2008, Tubbs Jones was threatened by the Obama campaign and told she’d be primaried in 2010 and kicked to the curb for being a “race-traitor”. She died of a brain aneurysm while driving her car, and Obama supporters filled Daily Kos, DemocratUnderground, and other George Soros-supported sites with lies about her drunk driving, doing drugs, and other slurs because even after she died these people wouldn’t stop hating her for daring to be an outspoken black woman who would never abandon Hillary for Obama.

This is similar to the grief that I’ve received here in Chicago for being a gay Hillary former Democrat in Boystown who never drank any Kool-Aid, never stopped speaking out against Obama, and who recently fully came out as a conservative — in the face of the same kind of Alinsky-grade, identity-based, “traitor” hectoring that Tubbs Jones got for being a black woman who didn’t kneel before the Obama altar.

Well, Rush, let me just tell you, from personal experience, that the tens of millions of people relentlessly abused and hounded by Obama supporters (remember that back in 2008 he urged his followers to “get in their faces” and “confront their neighbors” if they weren’t drinking his unicorn-pumped sparkly Kool-Aid ) will NEVER EVER FORGET what the Obama campaign directed at them, in terms of all this Alinsky bullying.

To quote Jeremiah Wright, the man Obama spent twenty years eagerly listening to at Trinity United Church of Christ: somebody’s chickens have now come back to roost.

During the campaign, Donna Brazile famously said that the Democrat Party no longer needed the people Obama once described as “bitter, religion-and-guns-clinging, Midwesterners”. Brazile took this further and said, outright, that the Democrat party did not need blue-collar white voters, the Jacksonian voters, the Hillary voters, because the party was “Obamafied” and would win elections for generations with the Obama coalition of blacks, Leftist elites, Hispanics, low information gay voters, and self-hating Jews.

This is all the Democrats have left, Rush.

Speaking from personal experience, as someone who has worked in fundraising for over 10 years and who has been a part of every presidential campaign since 1992, the Democrats have permanently alienated tens of millions of people who normally turned out reliably every year not just to vote Democrat, but also to write checks and otherwise participate in campaigns.

No more. Never again.

Here in Chicago, just about everyone who was part of Team Hillary efforts with me on the ground has completely divorced themselves from the Democrat Party. Being called a racist repeatedly and hearing from Donna Brazile that we are not needed will do that to a person.

But in a bigger sense, Democrats, by being so shameless and aggressive with the voter fraud in 2008 have opened too many eyes for us to ever go back to pretending that fraud and corrupt practices aren’t the hallmark of the Democrat Party.

There was a show on ABC a few years ago called Alias starring Jennifer Garner in which she played a woman working for a company called Credit Dauphine…which she was told was a front for a CIA organization called SD6. Garner’s character, Sidney Bristow, carried out her missions for SD6, overlooking different things the organization did that she might not have liked, because she thought she was doing what was best for the country. And then, one day, Sidney learned SD6 was actually an enemy of America…that it’s real mission was to destroy the country…that everything Sidney was told about SD6 was a lie. The mask came off SD6, and Sidney Bristow realized she had to work aggressively to take the whole enterprise down.

Rush (and his listeners), please hear me on this because you will not read this in the media — but just about every one of us from the Hillary 2008 campaign is a Sidney Bristow today.

Those of us who worked Democrat campaigns in the past put up with union associations and the other unsavory aspects of being a Democrat because we were told this was the only way Democrats could win…with union muscle. But, in 2008 the Democrats revealed themselves to be an SD6 conglomeration of every force in this country that wants to bring America down, tank our economy, usurp our Constitution, and lay waste to the American way of life.

Democrats took off the mask. The DNC reveled in being fully Leftist-controlled. Crazy people unapologetic in their Communist admiration took over positions of great influence not just in the DNC, but in our state and federal governments as well.

I’m horrified by that.

Hillary supporters are horrified by that.

And we have not sat back quietly to allow this to happen without a fight.

I know for a fact that people I worked with on the Hillary 2008 campaign have been actively working against every single Democrat who supported Obama’s nomination. Everyone who backstabbed Hillary Clinton is being undermined and sabotaged by people who might still be registered as Democrats but have no more loyalty to the party. Sometimes, conservative sites try to make this into a “sour grapes” sort of “Hillary’s revenge” meme — and there might be a taste of this in what’s going on — but the real driving force is that we former Democrats saw just how insane these people really are and we are now doing everything we can, behind the scenes, to use everything we know about the Democrat Party to collapse it from within.

If you think about it logically, there is not enough energy to sustain a years-long drive to remove Obama supporters from office just because people are still upset Hillary Clinton was not the 2008 nominee and is not president today. Sometimes, I think even you believe this is what this is all about. Your “Reverse Operation Chaos” initiative seems predicated on this, but that belief is apocryphal in that it misses a few big marks.

This is and it isn’t about Hillary.

What it’s really about is what the Democrat Party did to Hillary that alienated tens of millions of Jacksonian/Clintonian/middleclass Americans from the party permanently — and this includes what the party and Obama campaign did to Hillary’s supporters themselves (ie, calling them racists, telling them they weren’t wanted, calling them bitter clingers, etc.).

For the first time in our lives, so many of us former Democrats were given an Alinsky taste of what the Democrat Party really stand for…what it really believes…and how it really feels about America, our Constitution, our economy, and our way of life.

Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Obama took the mask off the Democrat Party…and the Leftist gorgon that lurked beneath is something America-loving, middleclass, Jacksonian/Clintonian Democrats want nothing to do with.

As part of your “Reverse Operation Chaos”, you really need to emphasize something the media just won’t talk about — and that’s the simple fact that even if you called yourself a Democrat for 32 years, the way I did, because everyone you grew up with and everyone in your family was a Democrat, that in 2010 it’s time to ask yourselves what that really means.

Do you want to be in a party that calls people racists for stepping out of line and voicing opposition to the socialist lurch of the current administration?

Do you condone voter fraud and the shameless, undemocratic tactics employed by Democrats?

Do you wish to associate with the likes of ACORN, the SEIU, the Black Panthers, and all the other thugs, goons, and degenerates the Obama campaign and White House employ as the DNC’s muscle on the ground?

It is crystal clear that being a patriotic American who loves this country is intellectually incompatible with being a Democrat. If you love America and want it to prosper, the Democrat Party is at absolute odds with everything we need for a thriving, successful economy.

Hillary supporters realize this.

We received a heaping helping of Alinsky assaults to wake us up to this reality.

The reason so many of us support Governor Palin is not just because we see the same Alinksy assaults being waged upon her…but the woman is pitch-perfect in outlining exactly why Obama and the Left are wrong, and why Democrats under Obama are dangerous to have in elected office.

I know you talk about a “Hillary 2012″ but Rush, as much as I love Hillary Clinton, and as much as I worked my heart out for her in 2008, there’s no way that even she can repair the damage Obama has done to the party. Certainly not by 2012. MAYBE the Clintons and their supporters can purge the Obama lunatics from the party by 2016…but I doubt even that will happen. Just like with the Leftists Carter infected the Democrat Party with, Obama legacy hires will be in the DNC for a generation to come…and it might not be until the 2030s before the Democrats can remove the taint Obama and his Leftist agenda have put on the party.

Democrats have made themselves synonymous with anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-democracy. Obama and his acolytes decidedly upped the ante when it came to their aggressive push towards socialism…and this Center-Right nation is resisting it in what I am certain will be an epic refudiation (to borrow the Governor’s term) next week.

On November 3rd, no one I know will be resting on any laurels. November 3rd starts the 2012 campaign…and not just the presidential race (where we’ll back Governor Palin) but the drive to knock people like Claire McCaskill out of office, continuing our work to take down every last one of the Obama supporters who backstabbed Hillary Clinton and helped install this socialist into the White House back in 2008. When you hear talk of a Hillary “enemies’ list”, or just “The List” as we call it in HRC supporter circles, this is very much real…and we are truly committed to making sure the Claire McCaskills out there get everything that is coming to them for all their service to Obama and his agenda.

Hear that, Ben Nelson…voters will be coming for you.

You and everyone like you.

Every last one of you.

If you voted for Obamacare, you are politically dead but may not know it…and it is your own fault. Being intensely stupid is no defense. If you were a YES vote on anything related to Obamacare you are going to be defeated…if not in 2010, then in the primaries in 2012. If you survive those, you will be taken down in the 2012 general election. Your political career is over…dummy.

Hope your time on the Obama Kool-Aid bandwagon was worth ruining your life over.

We will not forget those Obamacare votes. We will not forgive being called a racist because we don’t support this terrible man and his awful agenda. We will not be silenced.

We will not give up.

It’s going to be years, if ever, before the lamestream media ever catches up to any of this, and realizes that a large swath of people who used to be Democrat loyalists are now doing everything they can to destroy the party. Some of them are out and open, like me and my friends here at HillBuzz, but many are doing their part quietly. They just stop writing checks. Or maybe now they write checks to Democrat opponents. They might continue to attend events and fundraisers, but now they call up Republican sites and give them all the dirt on what they heard in those meetings. The Democrat Party alienated so many people who are now working to bring it down that I could go on for pages and pages more on this topic.

It’s very Sidney Bristow, Rush. And if you watched that show Alias, you’d know she not only won in the end, but looked damn good kicking ass while doing it.

THAT, El Rushbo, is what your “Hillary babes” are up to.

Here in Boystown, and in every town, because the Civil War Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Obama started on May 31st, 2008 is raging without end until the Democrat Party is no more.

Tell your listeners to count on that.


Kevin DuJan

Editor-in-Chief, HillBuzz.org

Hillary "Babe" in Buzzquarters, Boystown


Jim October 28, 2010 at 9:25 PM  

This is an unbelievable fraud. From 20 improper uses of the noun "Democrat" instead of the adjective "Democratic" (with lame explanation included)to the complete run-down of the Rethug talking points (Alinsky, Wright, ACORN, SEIU, liberal racists) it's all there.

The reason this isn't reported in the media is because it's entirely made up. Or am I just missing how Hillary and Bill are bitterly thwarting the president's political agenda at every turn?

"We’ll back Governor [sic] Palin"? Give me a break.

Marshall Art October 28, 2010 at 10:28 PM  


What you call "talking points" are more than that. Each of those charges have been exposed as truthful to one degree or another, with the least being a high degree itself.

What you are missing, besides the boat, is that neither Clinton will do anything to put themselves in a bad light, so I would think that they are not leading any Dem party insurrections, but waiting for one just the same. Bill, especially, likes to see which way the wind is blowing before he acts.

What seems fraudulent to me, and it isn't the charge that Hillary suffered from typical leftist tactics, as I've seen portions of the film to which DuJon is referring, as well as interviews with the producer, but that things would that much different with Hillary in the Big Chair. She's an Alinsky-ite as well, for example, and would employ much of the same tactics, if she hasn't already. And she has, when you think about it. She also would seek to redistribute wealth, as that is a typical leftist move, as she had spoken about what she'd do with oil company profits, as if they were hers to spend.

Also, what's fraudulent is the notion that all those idiots, like Pelosi and Reid, would likely still be showing us how stupid they are as I don't think McCain would have beaten Hillary if she had the Democrat nod. In all, I doubt we'd see much difference at all, since she had tried to ram a health care bill down our throats already. We MIGHT not have seen such groveling to our enemies, but then again, we'll never know.

But of course what's really fraudulent is your own response, as it is typical of the Obama supporter to demonize an opponent as you are DuJon.

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 8:42 AM  

My bad, Jim. I neglected to add the link to this website/post. Here it is. I've also added a link to the letter's title...

And, no, it is not a fake or fraud. It's a real letter, written by a real democrat, who (as if it mattered, which it doesn't) just happens to be gay, and a Hillary supporter to boot.

Mark October 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM  

It seems legitimate to me. There are a couple of places in there that would have possibly indicated fraud, but instead, indicated the opposite. I would have to do some in-depth analysis of the letter to expand further, but here are two examples that the letter is legit to me:

1. Writing this open letter to Rush Limbaugh. Why Rush? Because the Democrats truly think Limbaugh is the head of the Republican party. This letter, if referenced on Limbaugh's show would no doubt energize Limbaughs base, but would do nothing to motivate Democrat voters to vote against their own party. They would see it as typical "Rush hatemongering" and ignore it.

Limbaugh is not the leader of the Republican party, but only Republicans understand that. He is one of the leading spokesmen for the Conservatives in America.

2. I find it rather curious that DuJon would say Ms Tubbs-Jones died of an aneurysm. Seems to me, if DuJon truly were attempting to perpetrate fraud, the death of Ms Tubbs-Jones would have had more impact if there was a subtle suggestion of murder instead of an aneurysm.

That's just tow things that lept out at me that would indicate to me that the letter isn't fraudulent.

Just an unrelated thought: I thought "Kevin" was a man's name. How could the writer be called a "babe", especially by Limbaugh, if he/she's a man? I'm pretty sure Limbaugh would never refer to any man as a Babe.

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 9:04 AM  

The writer is gay, and identifies himself as such in the letter. All this speculation could have been forgone had I only included the link to the authors site, Hillbuzz.org.

Edwin Drood October 29, 2010 at 9:42 AM  

How can a letter be a fraud? It is what it is, an open letter. People like Jim are not only ignoring the garbage coming from the DEMOCRATs but also from their own mouths.

Think about it, its a letter posted on a website from the editor of the same website. Fraud??

Jim October 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM  

I'm not claiming that there was no such letter. I'm suggesting that the writer's claims of being a Democrat (past and present) are fraudulent. This letter could have been written by any literate Republican.

Hey El, check out the author's new BFF.

OK, so I Googled this guy and learned more about him. Apparently he WAS a Democrat and Hillary supporter. However, his irrational bitterness at Hillary's defeat turned him into a Republican as evidenced by the following:

Only Republican's use "Democrat" as an adjective.

Only Republican's think Alinsky tactics are used exclusively by Democrats.

Only Republican's believe that ACORN steals elections.

Only a Republican would completely mis-state the Michigan primary and delegate facts. All candidates except Clinton and Dodd took their names off the Michigan ballot 3 months before the primary. Furthermore, Obama asked the DNC to restore the Michigan delegates votes prior to the convention and this was done. Most delegates changed their votes to Obama at the roll call. Some Michigan delegates still voted for Clinton.

Finally he admits the truth when he writes that he "recently fully came out as a conservative."

I don't have any issue with a Democrat who doesn't fully embrace Obama. I don't either. I was a Hillary supporter to some degree myself, but I naively thought that she was more likely to get the Repugs re-engaged in Arkansas mafia, Whitewater, Vince Foster and Lewinsky crap than Obama. Little did I know that they'd be worse with Obama.

But Hillary lost a tough contest. Don't tell me her tactics were any "worse" than Obama's. They weren't. She simply lost.

Bitter, bitter man.

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 1:50 PM  

Your assertion that 'ONLY Republicans' can do such things is both spurious and specious. I could with equal conviction state that only a Kool-Aid drinking democrat like you could believe (human centipede-like (from Obama's a$$ to your mouth)) the fantasy that Obama has actually been good for America, but this too, thankfully, would be false.

If it makes you feel better to believe that only a Republican would use 'Democrat Party' as a pejorative, fine... have fun. If it makes you feel better to believe that ONLY Republicans think ACORN actively attempts to steal elections (via voter fraud), have at it. But you cannot expect anyone to believe that NO democrats, anywhere, believe ACORN has been and will continue to attempt being guilty of trying to defraud our elections... or that NO democrats, anywhere, use the term 'Democrat Party, pejoratively or otherwise. Only a complete doofus would make such bold and broad-brushed assertions... as you just have.

Your blustering only demonstrates the desperateness felt throughout the Democratic [sic] Party in these last days before the looming doom of what remains of the Democratic [sic] Party.

And refusing to accept a man at his word because he uses 'Democrat' Party, when you yourself use, 'Repugs'???

Bitter, man. And hypocritical.

You don't like what this ex-Democrat has written? I can understand, and even appreciate, your dislike. But just because you dislike what someone has said, doesn't mean what he has said isn't true [his paradigm, not yours], or that his word isn't genuine or shared by others. You denounce him because he no longer drinks your brand of Kool-Aid.

It's as simple as that.

Edwin Drood October 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM  

if you guys don't like being called Democrats they why is your website www.democrats.org

Mark October 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM  

Democrats should just go ahead and change the name of their party anyway. There is no longer any thing democratic at all related to the democratic party. They should just go ahead and call themselves the Communist party. That would be a more accurate description.

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM  

That, or the "UnConstitutionalist Party,"

Or SRP... "Social Redistributionist Party."

Or the LCTP... Liars Crooks and Thieves Party.

How about the "Namby Panderers" ?

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM  

Or CSIP... the "Crybabies For Socialist Injustice Party"

Jim October 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM  

Because we ARE Democrats, and we're fine with being called Democrats. We are NOT the Democrat Party. That's why when you go to www.democrats.org, you will see that they refer to themselves as the Democratic Party.

It is understood that "Democrat Party" is a Frank Luntz-type framing to attempt to disassociate the Democratic Party from "democratic" principles. Like calling the Estate Tax, the "death tax," etc. Or calling the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act created and passed by Congress "obamacare".

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 3:08 PM  

Fine. But there's still nothing 'democratic' about the 'Democratic' party.

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM  

Furthermore, what the Democrats and, sadly, most Americans seem to have forgotten is that our government is not a democracy, it is a republic.

ELAshley October 29, 2010 at 3:15 PM  

Everyone, and especially Democrats, want to wax all eloquent about our 'great democracy' but they're all (for the most part) in need of an education in American government.

In these last two years the Obama/Pelosi/Reid government has been anything BUT democratic. Call yourself a democrat if you wish, but we on the right know better.

Craig October 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM  

So, if the Reps are the only ones guilty of voter fraud then why is Al Franken in the senate?

Mark October 29, 2010 at 6:11 PM  

You're right, Eric. Renaming the Democratic party the Communist party is an insult to genuine Communists everywhere.

And by the way, We are more than a Republic. We are a Constitutional Republic. Democrats don't understand why that's important, because they don't understand of the importance of the Constitution.

Jim October 29, 2010 at 7:42 PM  

"why is Al Franken in the senate?"

Because he got the most votes, winning fair and square and nothing that Norm Coleman or anyone else brought before non-partisan arbiters of the election convinced them otherwise.

Sore loser?

Craig October 30, 2010 at 12:47 PM  


Lets look at some facts.

Frankens margin of victory 312 votes

Number of felons who illegally voted 341

Number of ballots in Hennipen county in excess of recorded voters 133.

Number of ballots in Ramsey county in excess of recorded voters 177.

So once again, if Republicans are the only ones who are engaged in voter fraud why is Franken in the senate.

Just a clue, Hennipen and Ramsey counties as well as the Secretary of State are controlled by the Dems. It's just amazing how that Republican vote fraud thing works.

Jim October 30, 2010 at 3:40 PM  

Regarding the "illegal felons" canard: According to the Star Tribune, "Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.

There is no proof one way or another that there were significant "illegal" votes by felons and no possible way of determining which candidate would benefit.

In Hennipen County, there is no proof that the 133 votes were not valid, but even so, they only netted Franken 46 votes.

In Ramsey County, there is no proof that the 177 votes were not valid, but even so, they only netted Franken 37 votes.

In summation, none of the things you have listed is proven as fraud, but even if those votes were disqualified, the total difference is 83 votes, well short of the 312 vote winning margin.


ELAshley October 31, 2010 at 10:32 AM  

Fail!? LOL! Your ability to think critically is a fail. And so is your party!


Jim October 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM  

So my ability to come up with facts and basic math which absolutely refute Craig's assertions somehow demonstrate an inability to think critically?

El, why don't you TRY to actually rebut arguments instead of offering ad hominem attacks? Otherwise you will likely be perceived as projecting.

Craig October 31, 2010 at 9:23 PM  

Ah Jim, you miss my point. All of this questionable activity (I note you didn't address the discrepancy in the number of ballots vs. voters or the fact that the felon investigation is ongoing, nor the fact that our democrat Secretary of State doesn't feel like the felon voters is enough of a concern to address it this time around either )(you also forgot the ballots in the guys trunk that showed up a couple of days later), happened in precincts which are controlled by democrats. I guess you could argue incompetence, but you can't argue that it's "only republicans". Sorry, the Franken victory doesn't pass the smell test.

Jim November 1, 2010 at 8:54 PM  

The Franken victory passed EVERY test that Coleman and his minions put before EVERY non-partisan and bi-partisan arbiter and panel involved.

Franken passed the smell test and every other test. Coleman LOST. Franken won.

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